Comment by BurningFrog
1 month ago
It's hard to put my finger on why, but that's a really weird way to frame the situation.
For one thing, most of us don't control any CO₂ production we can turn off.
Also, even if/when we finally produced our last CO₂ molecule, the excess CO₂ will last for many centuries, and we really should get it back to lower levels.
With good capture tech, you can keep keep doing some important CO₂ producing activities.
Sure, it seems very unfeasible with current technology, but that is bound to improve as you work on it.
> Sure, it seems very unfeasible with current technology, but that is bound to improve as you work on it.
That not a good logical argument as there's no guarantee that every technology can be improved enough to be better than the alternatives. e.g. Steam engine tech is bound to improve as you work on it, but it's not going to be as efficient/useful as an internal combustion engine.
History is littered with examples of tech that has been surpassed by better ideas, so the lesson to learn is to optimise the best current solution. In this instance, the best (most efficient, practical) solution is to stop emitting so much CO2 rather than a long bet that capture tech will ever be feasible - with atmospheric concentrations being so low, the scale required makes it a non-starter.
> most of us don't control any CO₂ production we can turn off.
Uhm what? Driving? Flying? Heating?
> Sure, it seems very unfeasible with current technology, but that is bound to improve as you work on it.
Improve, yes. Break the laws of thermodynamics? No.
You can improve a perpetual motion machine but it's never going to be useful.
Should every car owner personally optimize the CO₂ emissions of their car?
I have definitely not argued against the laws of thermodynamics.
I'm sorry, I don't even know what you're arguing for.
>With good capture tech, you can keep keep doing some important CO₂ producing activities.
We're not asking people to stop breathing while there's no good DAC on the horizon, but I wonder what were the other important CO₂ producing activities you intend to do less of.
The following isn't breaking the law of thermodynamics; just wilfully ignoring it..
Gemini: >To offset a single typical gasoline car's emissions (around 4.6 metric tons CO2/year), you'd need a substantial fraction of a large DAC plant, as current large plants aim for 1 million tons/year, meaning many tiny DACs or a small portion of one large one; as of late 2025, the largest operating DAC (Mammoth) captures 36k tons, requiring about 80 such facilities to match one average ICE car's annual output, highlighting the massive scale-up needed, with projects like Texas's Stratos targeting 500k tons/year (equivalent to ~108 cars).
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> Should every car owner personally optimize the CO₂ emissions of their car?
Yes!! Obviously! Buy an electric/hybrid car or at least one with good fuel efficiency. Drive it in an efficient style. Try to avoid unnecessary journeys.
> Should every car owner personally optimize the CO₂ emissions of their car?
They can if they want to, maybe by buying a car with lower/zero emissions at the point of use?