Comment by hermanzegerman

6 days ago

If Americans delete Italy they will be the Pariah of the world for a very long time

Maybe, but it's still the reason Italy can't bomb America.

The rest of the world wouldn't do anything about it either, IMO. Just like they're doing for Ukraine now.

  • Hundreds of billions in support, massively increased defense spending, and hefty sanctions are obviously nothing..

    Also much more people have been to Italy,or at least know the country and it's culture compared to Ukraine. So the Fallout in Public Opinion would be way worse. China would also be salivating at an Opportunity to isolate the US, and that would be one presented on a silver platter

    • If America decided to wipe Italy off the map, you would be happy for the UK to send some money? That would be enough?

      I don't think you can impose enough diplomatic sanctions on America to make us care, and certainly not enough to make up for deleting Italy.

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    • Public opinion is dead, what matters is policy makers opinion on controlling financial interests in the West, and what the CCP politbureau thinks. One is a mongrel divisive semi-hereditary plutocracy, the other is a reimagined empire that clearly has a long game going. I don't think anyone cares for the public at large, at least to the extent the public doesn't get any wild ideas like having an opinion and expressing it with a pitchfork.

  • Wiping off Italy for no reason is enough to trigger a French nuclear response.

    • Hypothetical was: So if Americans don't like Trump then, say, Italy can unilaterally bomb San Francisco?

      Response was: Yes, Italy could choose to do so. However, American would probably delete Italy if Italy made that choice.

      So France would not be looking at the US deleting Italy for no reason.

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Pariahship only really matter if you care. Look at both India and China. For the past 80 years countries cared about being pariahs because there was only one real country: the United States of America. Today, there are a handful of truly sovereign countries (America, China, India, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, North Korea) who will actually defend themselves without resorting to nominal allies .

In the normal state of human affairs, being a pariah doesn't matter as long as your goals get done