Comment by 15155
4 days ago
> They pay into social security when they have a job just like anyone else.
Really? None are paid under the table? Who pays their ER bills when they break their arm while performing illegal farm labor, for instance?
> If it's weak social safety net then why would the immigrants choose this country for financial benefit? You're contradicting yourself right in the next bullet point.
Because it's better than from wherever they came? These goals aren't incompatible. Jobs are reason enough, free shit is icing on the cake.
> They came here for the American Dream,
Breaking the law in the process, and pissing on everyone who bothered to obtain it legally.
> It's what happened when your ancestors came to this country.
My ancestors weren't given free shit upon arrival - you can have a welfare system or open borders, not both.
Legally, you're required to pay taxes even if you're getting underpaid. Many undocumented people use ITINs. Your whole argument is based on false assumptions.
Gosh golly gee, someone who decided to break the law to enter wouldn't possibly break other laws for their own benefit, would they!?
I don't care if "many" people do anything: if they are here without status, they should be removed post haste.
no citizens are paid under the table?
who pays bills of citizens w/o insurance that are rushed to the emergency room?
> My ancestors weren't given free shit upon arrival
you sure about that?
We're all the same people, stop hating.
> no citizens are paid under the table?
Proportionately far fewer, obviously? What? Are you going to honestly try and argue in good faith that per capita, people already breaking laws with no legal means to work are paying taxes at the same rate? Either way: it doesn't matter!
> who pays bills of citizens w/o insurance that are rushed to the emergency room?
Guess what? - and this might be a hard pill to swallow: we don't owe foreigners anything.
Your argument distills down to: "there are some citizen lawbreakers, too, so a few more shouldn't hurt!"
> you sure about that?
Social security among other things didn't exist, so, yeah, I am very sure about that.
> We're all the same people, stop hating.
Not wanting to finance unskilled lawbreakers at the expense of my own people is not "hate" - sorry!
> we don't owe foreigners anything
This isn't true, it's a pillar of the USA to harbor refugees and welcome immigrants. It's our entire history. It's our entire identity.
> Proportionately far fewer, obviously
I dont think so. There's a lot of people in this country, far more citizens than illegal immigrants.
> Not wanting to finance unskilled lawbreakers
capital punishment for every crime if you dont have a degree? what are you arguing?
yes, the argument is immigrants and citizens aren't different. we're all people
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