Comment by gordian-mind

12 days ago

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Ok. But if "Western-style billionaires" provide peace and prosperity, don't leave us hanging on what's causing all the misery and poverty!

  • Poverty is the default state of humanity. Also, a lot of misery comes from people having misguided worldviews, getting slowly radicalized by untrue assumptions.

  • I'd say media and advertising are the most likely. I'm pretty happy with the products I buy, I get good value. No complaints on the billionaires from me

    • I'm happy for you that you're middle class and can afford your daily livelihood. See you later when that's no longer the case.

    • You are aware that billionaires are a very much controlling advertising and media? There is no neutral 3rd party that advertises other peoples products just to shake things up.

    • What if, hypothetically, in order to fix or otherwise rid ourselves of the media and advertising we had to accept the disappearance of the billionaires? Would it be worth it?

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> Western-style billionaires do the former, as their wealth is created by providing services to people

I'm sorry but this is just not based on reality. Wealth has always been formed by taking away from those who produce value. No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year. Services aren't provided, they are forced on people who just are not allowed to function without them and must work with and in those services, while billionaires don't produce anything, don't do anything yet get all the money.

  • Wealth is formed by honest people trading amongst each other. Most people are like that.

    • I'm sorry but this is just too naive. There is no honesty in most people working for a wage that is barely enough to survive, while capital owners don't actually do anything and still receive an inconsiderate amount of money. There is no trading here, just a good old theft of all the produced value with just enough redistribution to buy back the stolen value. No billionaire ever became billionaire by trading anything only by stealing other's work.

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  • > No one asked for 1000 new phone models every year, no one asked for 1000 new car models every year, no one asked for a million new kind of clothes every year.

    I'm pretty sure that, except a few off-the-grid hermits, everyone, including the fancy communists at an indie café, is constantly asking for a million new kind of clothes. Denying this reality (and other unpleasant ones?) is perhaps what leads you to untrue conclusions.

    • Do you have some data on that ? Because the majority of people inside far-left organizations are just not, and I don't base that on superficial myths but on actually talking with people