After making a secret deal with them to partition Europe. They didn't come around on principle, it's just that Hitler eventually decided to invade Russia too.
And after winning the war, Stalin proceeded to kill millions for good measure.
Stalin did the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact to (successfully!) buy time and breathing room for the inevitable Nazi assault after his numerous entreaties to Western/Allied powers were rebuffed.
As someone who is falls pretty hard into what is considered the "radical left", facists are much worse. There are a lot of really annoying leftist, and there are a lot of reactionary authoritarian communist that often mirror the far right but prefer Stalin to Hitler.
But the majority aren't much more to the left of bernie sanders, and the minority that is are often too busy cooking meals for the unhoused, organising clothing drives, and trying to do harm reduction in our local communities.
It's more complicated, obviously, but most lefty types nowadays just want everyone to be fed and housed.
“Much worse” is what you say when you know little to nothing about what Mao and Stalin did to say nothing of Xi. Completely horrifying repression, mass murder, famine, and death.
You can pick a “worse” but to act like it’s an easy call is just pig ignorance.
Communists are worse in number of dead, and in how persistent their madness is. Fascism is functionally dead, while communism is quite powerful and still incredibly damaging.
Fascism is not functionally dead. We just don't have governments actively calling themselves Nazis and fascist. The modern day christian nationalist movement in the United States is a fascists movement, and that's without even getting into the actual neo-nazi and white supremacist groups that also have ties to people in power.
Like I said to another comment, I thought we were discussion the modern right wing and left wing movements happening now, I'm not sure why we're bringing up previous communist movements. Seems irrelevant to my comment.
Correction: "commies" has always been a weaponized label for anyone with empathy and raising concerns about the externalities caused by rapacious corporate greed. Right-wing death squads murdered journalists, whistleblowers, and activists, slandering them as "commies" to justify extrajudicial murder. Banana wars, the Shah, Pinochet, Iran-Contra, regime change, and more.
Way more broad than that. My right-wing family refers to all liberals as commies. Personally I've never met a real life communist. Even the most liberal of my friends are at most moderate, many are still right-leaning by any definition not created by the GOP.
Where I live, fascists are way more threatening than communists. Other parts of the world, might be the other way around.
por que no los dos?
porque los dos no son los mismos
You can get just as dead from either.
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The Communists defeated the Nazis in World War II, so that's a big point in their favor.
After making a secret deal with them to partition Europe. They didn't come around on principle, it's just that Hitler eventually decided to invade Russia too.
And after winning the war, Stalin proceeded to kill millions for good measure.
Stalin did the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact to (successfully!) buy time and breathing room for the inevitable Nazi assault after his numerous entreaties to Western/Allied powers were rebuffed.
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They killed many tens of millions more, so that's a big point against.
Was that communism or was that authoritarianism?
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As someone who is falls pretty hard into what is considered the "radical left", facists are much worse. There are a lot of really annoying leftist, and there are a lot of reactionary authoritarian communist that often mirror the far right but prefer Stalin to Hitler.
But the majority aren't much more to the left of bernie sanders, and the minority that is are often too busy cooking meals for the unhoused, organising clothing drives, and trying to do harm reduction in our local communities.
It's more complicated, obviously, but most lefty types nowadays just want everyone to be fed and housed.
>But the majority aren't much more to the left of bernie sanders
>It's more complicated, obviously, but most lefty types nowadays just want everyone to be fed and housed.
Just so you know, almost nobody who is awake is believing anything like this after what happened to Charlie Kirk.
What has communism/communists have to do with Charlie Kirk?
“Much worse” is what you say when you know little to nothing about what Mao and Stalin did to say nothing of Xi. Completely horrifying repression, mass murder, famine, and death.
You can pick a “worse” but to act like it’s an easy call is just pig ignorance.
Hi! I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the modern fascist movements vs modern communist and left wing ones.
I'm not sure why you're bringing up historical movements, seems irrelevant to my response.
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Mao and Pol Pot would like a word.
Communists are worse in number of dead, and in how persistent their madness is. Fascism is functionally dead, while communism is quite powerful and still incredibly damaging.
Fascism is not functionally dead. We just don't have governments actively calling themselves Nazis and fascist. The modern day christian nationalist movement in the United States is a fascists movement, and that's without even getting into the actual neo-nazi and white supremacist groups that also have ties to people in power.
Like I said to another comment, I thought we were discussion the modern right wing and left wing movements happening now, I'm not sure why we're bringing up previous communist movements. Seems irrelevant to my comment.
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The problem here is that in the US "commies" has always been a substitute for socialists.
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Correction: "commies" has always been a weaponized label for anyone with empathy and raising concerns about the externalities caused by rapacious corporate greed. Right-wing death squads murdered journalists, whistleblowers, and activists, slandering them as "commies" to justify extrajudicial murder. Banana wars, the Shah, Pinochet, Iran-Contra, regime change, and more.
Musk and Trump were calling Kamala Harris a communist during the election.
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Way more broad than that. My right-wing family refers to all liberals as commies. Personally I've never met a real life communist. Even the most liberal of my friends are at most moderate, many are still right-leaning by any definition not created by the GOP.
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The C in ACAB stands for Capitalists.
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Capitalizing the 'W' in white is so funny, just the perfect encapsulation of how this just one more form of idpol brainrot.
Don't many style guides now say you're supposed to capitalize the names of races and ethnic groups?
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