Comment by object-a

6 days ago

I'm a little skeptical that Palantir pre-2009 (when Joe was there) focused on communists at all

CIA, FBI, foreign government, and corporate security needs drove its initial services. Basically, software to protect rich people and eliminate troublemakers in the way of profits.

  • Mercenaries. Like KBR/Halliburton/et al. except focused on tech rather than just physical security.

Sure, it may be post-hoc chest thumping theatrics, but also he was a tween during the fall of the Soviet Union and the end days of the Cold War along with having close family of Jewish descent since his mother was Jewish (Irish Catholic father). So there could be some baked-in, rather than acquired later, antipathy- understandably- towards communism. Especially the Soviet variety since its still warm corpse was around in the '03/'04 era when Palantir was founded. At that time, Hanssen had just recently been arrested, poking those coals again. Heck we're still living with the scars of all that and its fallout- if Lonsdale meant specifically former members/supporters of the CPSU and its shambling corpse then the statement is a little bit less over the top.

  • I mean, I’m even more skeptical that Palantir or its customers were concerned about killing former members or supporters of the Soviet Union prior to 2009. The focus was probably the War on Terror and related crimes.

    Alex Karp was calling himself a self-described socialist as recently as 2018.

    • If it's about the War on Terror and related crimes, why have they also (since their inception) gathered such vast troves of data and profiles on U.S. citizens?

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Communists were probably just one of the domestic counterinsurgency concerns that drove its founding.

  • > drove its founding

    IMO drove its funding.

    • Yes, the "spontaneous lab experiment that proved wildly successful" mythology around many of these companies is just elaborate camouflage.

  • I don't think this has to do with counterinsurgency but more like what the actual communists and fascists did: destroying an ideology by physically destroying the persons that associate with it. An ideology in this case communism (a broad term) that Palantir founders considered even an intellectual threat to their own ambitions. People who have understood Marx' theories and can apply them to analyze what's going on might be in theory immune to the hypercapitalist spectacle that a coalition which includes Palantir might stage. Which is kinda what happens the spectacle I mean with the current administration.