Comment by gnarlouse

3 days ago

I’m not sure this is such a reality check. I remember figuring this out maybe a month or so after October 2023, when ChatGippity first dropped. Like, if it’s a “do anything platform” won’t the first anything be to cannibalize low hanging anything’s, followed by progressively higher hanging anything’s until there’s no work left?

Like play out AI, it sucks for everybody except the ones holding the steering wheel, unless we hold them accountable for the changing landscape of stake-in-civilization distribution. Spoiler: haha, we sure fucking aren’t in the US.

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TeMPOraL  3 days ago

> Like play out AI, it sucks for everybody except the ones holding the steering wheel

Not true. Models don't make owners money sitting there doing nothing - they only get paid when people find value in what AI is producing for them. The business model of AI companies is actually almost uniquely honest compared to rest of software industry: they rent you a tool that produces value for you. No enshittification, no dark patterns, no taking your data hostage, no turning into a service what should've been a product. Just straightforward exchange of money for value.

So no, it doesn't such for everyone except them. It only sucks for existing businesses that find themselves in competition with LLMs. Which, true, is most of software industry, but it's still just something that happens when major technological breakthrough is achieved. Electricity and Internet and internal combustion engines did the same thing to many past industries, too.

  • gnarlouse  2 days ago

    > they only get paid when people find value in what AI is producing for them

    The people "finding value in them" are other people with money to throw at businesses: investors, capital firms, boards & c suites. I'm not sure anybody who has been laid off because their job got automated away is "finding value" in an LLM. There's a handful of scrappy people trying to pump out claude-driven startups but if one person can solo it, obviously a giant tech company can compete.

    > No dark patterns

    https://www.palantir.com/

    > No enshittification

    https://google.com

    https://bing.com

    > No taking your data hostage

    blank stare they're not taking my data hostage, but they're sure as shit taking my data

    I think we just fundamentally disagree on all of this. You may be right, and I hope you are. I go back and forth on whether it's going to be a gentle transition or a miserable one. My money is on the latter.

    • TeMPOraL  1 day ago

      > The people "finding value in them" are other people with money to throw at businesses: investors, capital firms, boards & c suites. I'm not sure anybody who has been laid off because their job got automated away is "finding value" in an LLM.

      And the millions with ChatGPT (and other LLM) subscriptions, using it for anything from for-profit and non-profit work to hobby projects and all kinds of matters of personal life.

      Contrary to a very popular belief in tech circles, AI is not only about investors. It's a real technology affecting real people in the real world.

      In fact, I personally don't give a damn about inverstors here, and I laugh at the "AI bubble" complaints. Yes, it's a bubble, but that's totally irrelevant to the technology being useful. Investors may go bankrupt, but the technology will stay. See e.g. history of rail in the United States - everyone who fronted capital to lay down rail lines lost their shirt, but the hardware remained, and people (including subsequent generations of businesses) put it to good use.

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