Comment by thesz
2 days ago
I am not a weightlifter, I am an amateur powerlifter, and I do pretty intense resistance training for my age (54yo) and my weight (112kg) and I eat about 800g to 1kg a day of meat - duck, pork or beef. Even if I eat 1kg Wagyu beef, it would give me about 3000 calories, slightly less than 3500 calories I need to keep my muscle mass. I would happily eat even more meat but circumstances prevents me to do so.
I used to drink protein shakes, but now I am actively against these. Artificial sweeteners provoke insulin release [1] [2] that leads to type-II diabetes.
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2887503/
[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S10568...
you can get protein powder that doesn't contain artificial sweeteners. You can get protein powder that doesn't contain any sweetener. You can even buy pure protein powder without any additives at all.
thanks for the dietary advice, b00ty4breakfast
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I, okay? Next time don't make it sound like the reason you dislike protein shakes is sweeteners!
Why did you drink them before, if you appear to fundamentally object to the idea?
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> Why should I, as a top predator, ...
I can't imagine anyone actually saying this with a straight face (also I am totally using this line for everything now). What a way to view oneself!
Dawg, you buy meat at the grocery store. you aren't an apex predator out here running down water buffaloes and dik-diks on the savannas of Africa with spear in-hand.
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agree with the people that say you are moving the goal posts, but to answer this question anyway...
As someone who lifted for a good handful of years, there are a few reasons i used protein powder, it was a very affordable way to add 25-50g of protein and some random fruits or peanut butter or whatever(i'd usually blend up a shake).
It was also a good way as someone who struggles to eat a surplus, to hit my goals as it just went down way easier than an additional full meal.
It is ALSO easier to cut weight and maintain protein goals by utilizing simply water and protein powder.
when it came time for me to cut, im simply swapping milk for water, and removing the peanut butter, and suddenly that "meal" is ~400 calories less.
So the very simple answer? convenience/affordability.
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Actually humans are most similar to chimpanzees and bonobos, which eat meat but very little and mostly eat fruits, nuts and seeds.
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One has to be very careful when drawing parallelisms from the animal kingdom.
Lions challenge the dominant male, and if they win, they kill all of their offspring and take all of their females.
Hopefully you are not doing that with every male you encounter that happens to be physically weaker than you.
You should acknowledge when you shift the goal posts.
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> Lions can't eat ducks or chickens. We can and do.
As in they can't catch them? Or they can't survive on a diet of them? I'd be surprised if it was the latter.
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> including other predators like bears
Bears are a terrible example to pick, as they aren't real “predators” in the first place. They are omnivorous, eating more fruits, roots and insects than meat, by far. Depending on their species and where they live they may eat fishes as well, but not that much meat at all.
And of course as omnivorous ourselves, we eat far less meat than actual predators like wolves and felines.
Your best evidence is a rat study and a narrative review?
Kinda makes zero cal sweeteners look good.
It is hard to experiment on humans. Here is an experiment on monkeys: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39978336/
At least aspartame increases insulin secretion in them.
You can get protein powder without flavoring. I drink that either pure or with a little bit of flavored protein mixed in (something like 3:1) because the flavored stuff is so sweet I can't drink it. Some brands I could literally do 3 parts flavorless, 1 part flavored and it would still taste too sweet.
Why you get protein powder of unknown origin instead of the meat?
The origin is not unknown.
It's convenient. I have no idea where the meat came from either.
Whey has the same origin as beef meat you know?
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