They broadly probably didn't believe grocery prices would "go down", but they were also very angry about inflation. The polling reflected that economic issues topped voter motivations. Add to that the Biden administration hiding his dementia, and perceptions about illegal immigration and crime, and it wouldn't matter who the Republican candidate is.
This was part of a sweeping anti-incumbent sentiment that occurred globally. Kamala did ok with educated white voters, while black, hispanic and asian voters shifted right; do they all just hate brown people? I doubt it.
People have very little reason to be honest during polls, so I find them hard to believe. Polling data led to predictions about Hillary winning in 2016.
Even if there was a slight “shift right” in black and Asian voters, it was still kind of marginal.
According to Pew, about 83% of black voters still voted for Kamala, with 15% voting for Trump, and 60% of Asians voted for Kamala.
I can envision that much internalized racism in either of those groups, but even if that weren’t the case, there are lots of different races and they could convince themselves that “the other ones” are the bad ones, and Trump won’t hurt them. I do not think what you are saying dispels anything I said at all.
You've yet to provide any evidence to support your claim, so I have very little reason to entertain the idea that internalized racism motivated voters. Seems like motivated reasoning to me
Polls in aggregate are useful at sussing voter feelings, predicting actions is harder. Also, the shift was not that marginal. Certainly enough to help decide the election.
She is a naturalized citizen and we were very sure to make sure that literally nothing on the paperwork could be considered dishonest.
That said, you're objectively wrong, and if you had read the article in discussion you'd see that. The Trump admin has been detaining natural born citizens, and they've even been given permission to racially profile in the process.
This requires about ten seconds of research to find out, so you are being dishonest by posting stuff like this, either directly or intellectually.
There is a lot of internalized racism in Latino communities, so I don't think that that is necessarily in conflict with what I said.
Just because you can find a lot of minorities signing up for ICE jobs doesn't really change anything, even if they were all Hispanic. You can always find examples of people going against their own self interest.
There are black white-nationalists [1] out there. There are women who will openly say that women shouldn't be allowed to vote [2].
"I didn't like the DNC so I decided to vote for someone who is an unapologetic racist sack of shit and who bragged about how he'd abuse the presidency to get revenge on his enemies" really doesn't change anything to what I said.
I'm not a huge fan of the DNC either but I think that they're being used as a scapegoat for people not to own their terrible decisions to vote for a moronic demagogue.
Fair enough but the brass tacks of the matter is more Americans liked what Trump had to offer than what the DNC was selling (stability, more of the same)
IME a lot of trump voters are in the "fuck the government" camp and voted for him purely to throw a wrench in the political machine
Spot on! If in 2012 you told me half of Trump's platform, and told me I'd be voting for Kamala Harris instead, I might have shot myself in the face. But my country called, so I swallowed my fuck-the-status-quo pride and answered the call.
Maybe Democrats didn't vote [for Harris] because of that decision.
But the idea that they instead voted for Trump, or that people who went out of their way to vote for Trump would have voted for the Democrat candidate if they had just "been better than Harris" is so fucking absurd it's actively insulting that you try to claim this.
> Most Americans, in contrast with the DNC platform, think it's gross to select candidates for a job based on their race.
Most Americans think it is gross to select candidates for a job based on how much money they've given you, how willing they are to look the other way for your crimes, or how pretty you think they look.
> hiring based on their accomplishments and skills
That you can look at the Trump administration and say this with a straight face is demonstrative of how ignorant you are.
Most Americans think it’s gross to select minority candidates based on their race. If you’re a lying, corrupt, incompetent, moronic sack of shit, but you’re a white man, they’ll elect you president.
You can thank the DNC for the appalling choices in federal elections, they decided it was best to mess around with race and gender quotas instead of putting forward genuine candidates.
That's like shooting your own foot off. He's always been this person. He was this person in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, etc. it's fucking crazy to me that anyone, ever, ever, votes for him. It's really opened my eyes to the realities of a lot of folks out there.
It’s so strange to me that anyone who knew anything about him even before he announced presidency didn’t find him to be completely insufferable and an objectively terrible businessman.
He has always been incapable of speaking without constantly trying to brag about himself or bitching about how things aren’t his fault, and even before the infamous “grab her by the pussy” tape came out it was already pretty well known that he was a perv.
I do not know how he got any traction. Except, you know, he became even more outwardly racist.
They broadly probably didn't believe grocery prices would "go down", but they were also very angry about inflation. The polling reflected that economic issues topped voter motivations. Add to that the Biden administration hiding his dementia, and perceptions about illegal immigration and crime, and it wouldn't matter who the Republican candidate is.
This was part of a sweeping anti-incumbent sentiment that occurred globally. Kamala did ok with educated white voters, while black, hispanic and asian voters shifted right; do they all just hate brown people? I doubt it.
People have very little reason to be honest during polls, so I find them hard to believe. Polling data led to predictions about Hillary winning in 2016.
Even if there was a slight “shift right” in black and Asian voters, it was still kind of marginal.
According to Pew, about 83% of black voters still voted for Kamala, with 15% voting for Trump, and 60% of Asians voted for Kamala.
I can envision that much internalized racism in either of those groups, but even if that weren’t the case, there are lots of different races and they could convince themselves that “the other ones” are the bad ones, and Trump won’t hurt them. I do not think what you are saying dispels anything I said at all.
You've yet to provide any evidence to support your claim, so I have very little reason to entertain the idea that internalized racism motivated voters. Seems like motivated reasoning to me
Polls in aggregate are useful at sussing voter feelings, predicting actions is harder. Also, the shift was not that marginal. Certainly enough to help decide the election.
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ICE just murdered a US citizen in cold blood and this isn't even the first.
American police have been murdering citizens for over a century - nothing new sadly.
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She is a naturalized citizen and we were very sure to make sure that literally nothing on the paperwork could be considered dishonest.
That said, you're objectively wrong, and if you had read the article in discussion you'd see that. The Trump admin has been detaining natural born citizens, and they've even been given permission to racially profile in the process.
This requires about ten seconds of research to find out, so you are being dishonest by posting stuff like this, either directly or intellectually.
Given the documented behavior of ICE that is clearly false. They arrest people here legally all the time, torturing them.
Institute for Justice is representing a handful of citizens suing ICE for arresting them anyway
That is so obviously false. Who is paying you to spread this tripe?
Any actual Americans should be looking at the events of today in horror.
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There is a lot of internalized racism in Latino communities, so I don't think that that is necessarily in conflict with what I said.
Just because you can find a lot of minorities signing up for ICE jobs doesn't really change anything, even if they were all Hispanic. You can always find examples of people going against their own self interest.
There are black white-nationalists [1] out there. There are women who will openly say that women shouldn't be allowed to vote [2].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Lee_Peterson
[2] https://www.newsweek.com/ann-coulter-reconsiders-womens-righ...
the simplest explanation is simply that they preferred trump to Harris.
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"I didn't like the DNC so I decided to vote for someone who is an unapologetic racist sack of shit and who bragged about how he'd abuse the presidency to get revenge on his enemies" really doesn't change anything to what I said.
I'm not a huge fan of the DNC either but I think that they're being used as a scapegoat for people not to own their terrible decisions to vote for a moronic demagogue.
Fair enough but the brass tacks of the matter is more Americans liked what Trump had to offer than what the DNC was selling (stability, more of the same)
IME a lot of trump voters are in the "fuck the government" camp and voted for him purely to throw a wrench in the political machine
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Spot on! If in 2012 you told me half of Trump's platform, and told me I'd be voting for Kamala Harris instead, I might have shot myself in the face. But my country called, so I swallowed my fuck-the-status-quo pride and answered the call.
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Down that road also is allowing an ill man to stay president for too long.
Aha! I knew something was fishy with them DNC. Those were also the reasons people voted for Hitler, goshdarnit.
Yeah, what? No.
Maybe Democrats didn't vote [for Harris] because of that decision.
But the idea that they instead voted for Trump, or that people who went out of their way to vote for Trump would have voted for the Democrat candidate if they had just "been better than Harris" is so fucking absurd it's actively insulting that you try to claim this.
> Most Americans, in contrast with the DNC platform, think it's gross to select candidates for a job based on their race.
Most Americans think it is gross to select candidates for a job based on how much money they've given you, how willing they are to look the other way for your crimes, or how pretty you think they look.
> hiring based on their accomplishments and skills
That you can look at the Trump administration and say this with a straight face is demonstrative of how ignorant you are.
Most Americans think it’s gross to select minority candidates based on their race. If you’re a lying, corrupt, incompetent, moronic sack of shit, but you’re a white man, they’ll elect you president.
He wasn't selected because of his race. He was selected because he's famous and good at Twitter. It's not that complicated.
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You can thank the DNC for the appalling choices in federal elections, they decided it was best to mess around with race and gender quotas instead of putting forward genuine candidates.
So instead they voted for Trump?
That's like shooting your own foot off. He's always been this person. He was this person in the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, etc. it's fucking crazy to me that anyone, ever, ever, votes for him. It's really opened my eyes to the realities of a lot of folks out there.
THANK YOU.
It’s so strange to me that anyone who knew anything about him even before he announced presidency didn’t find him to be completely insufferable and an objectively terrible businessman.
He has always been incapable of speaking without constantly trying to brag about himself or bitching about how things aren’t his fault, and even before the infamous “grab her by the pussy” tape came out it was already pretty well known that he was a perv.
I do not know how he got any traction. Except, you know, he became even more outwardly racist.
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"Look what you made me do", the motto of voters with no agency.
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Quotas vs Zero Policy Coherence is your takeaway?