Comment by Terr_

5 days ago

Grandchild: "Grandpa, what was it like back then, when ICE was snatching innocent people off the streets and the President was putting some them in dictator prisons without trial? Before the super bad stuff started?"

Grandpa: "It was a very controversial time, yes. Lots of people doing what they believed was best."

Grandchild: "Did ICE ever go after you?"

Grandpa: "I worked for the--it was only office--I mean, I was unemployed then. Yes, that's right! Tricky economy, don't you know. Only odd-jobs. I lived in a place where those things weren't happening. In fact, most of us didn't really know about it until it was all over. You remember that, right dear?"

Mother: <frustrated death-glare> "...Come along, let's wash your hands before dinner."

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netsharc  5 days ago

That's if they ever face a "truth and reconciliation" commision like after Apartheid South Africa.

If not, and if you have 3 hours, there's a documentary you can watch. The director said "It was like I went to Germany 40 years after WW2 and found out the Nazis had won".

There was an "anti-communist" massacre in Indonesia in 1965. The killers were sanctioned by the government who remained in power/are still very powerful nowadays. (When a reformist president said "maybe we can look at this part of the country's past", the rumour was, the army was going to let protesters (who are still gung-ho communist-hating) protest near the presidential palace, and not intervene if/when they invade it.

This documentary follows one old killer and his "journey" from being able to talk about it casually until he ends up meeting his conscience.

Here he is in the beginning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZqEzIEWzPk

And the full documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDeEObjR9Q

  • jordanb  4 days ago

    Spain ended up the same way. The Franco regime just petered out and the ghouls got to keep their swanky digs in Madrid.

    • jacquesm  4 days ago

      Same in former east Germany. Poland did did much better though, they kicked most of the bastards out but it was a dime on its side for a while, a lot of Polish pensioners were yearning back to the good old days and even today there is still a remnant of this.

    • rasz  4 days ago

      So did Romania. Afaik Ceausescu was killed by his own employees in a rush bid to take over power while pretending to give people what they wanted.

jacquesm  4 days ago

Arnold Schwarzenegger had a very heartfelt story about his childhood. It went more or less as you describe, except it was his dad, not his granddad and there was a lot of alcohol and abuse involved as well.