Comment by wat10000

1 month ago

When the Nazis fell, the occupation forces didn’t say “you can’t abolish the Gestapo, we need police, otherwise it’s just anarchy.” They got rid of the Nazi machine and replaced it.

ICE is rotten to the core. It should be abolished and replaced. Create a new organization with new leadership. Ban anyone from a leadership position in ICE from being employed by the new organization. Maybe allow the rank-and-file to apply, but they have to start fresh and are treated like any other applicant at best.

“Abolish ICE” isn’t about immigration enforcement. It’s about bringing to heel a reckless, out of control, proto secret police. “Abolish ICE” is about immigration enforcement as much as shooting a US citizen in the face is.

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xp84  1 month ago

> Create a new organization with new leadership. Ban anyone from a leadership position in ICE from being employed by the new organization.

That will solve almost nothing though. 90% of the people who want to abolish ICE today would still want to abolish... let's call it NICE for "Nice Immigration & Citizen Encouragers" if NICE is empowered to deport anybody for any reason. Most liberal Americans I know do not think anyone should be deported for any reason. That's the disconnect. I actually agree that the tactics of some of the agents are probably wrong, but I won't ever align with the Democratic Party on the issue because they demonstrably want to make it impossible for anyone to be caught, which de facto means open borders.

Factual reasons I say this:

1. Democrats overwhelminglhy oppose requirements to be here legally to use government benefits

2. Democrats openly and proudly establish sanctuary cities and similar policies where local police explicitly aren't allowed to report people suspected or known to not have a valid immigration status.

3. Democrats overwhelmingly oppose automatic deportation for felonies committed by undocumented immigrants.

They do this mainly on the well-meaning grounds of "but what if mom or dad is illegal, we don't want to tear a family apart" but are so intellectually lazy that they don't bother to ask or answer how we could ever ethically deport anyone then, since anyone can claim to have some special family connection to someone with legal status.

actionfromafar  1 month ago

Well, when the Nazis fell, the occupation forces of the Eastern part of Germany actually did say something like "you can’t abolish the Gestapo, we need police". The seed of Stasi.

  • orwin  1 month ago

    Now the east was the only part of Germany that actually denazified. You have a lot of history books on the events.