Comment by dartharva
5 days ago
I have no skin in the game (being neither American nor immigrant), but you do realize how much of a stretch you've just made? Comparing Nuremburg to a sovereign country preventing illegal immigration (literally a crime everywhere on earth)? Are you serious!?
Deportation isn't prevention. It's inherently reactive. Securing a border has to be done at a border (as opposed to, for instance, at people's homes, churches, and schools).
So ICE murdering someone or deporting US citizens are simply "preventing illegal immigration".
I guess Nazi came to power because of ignorance and stupidity of the people around them.
So why isn't ICE carrying out its mission without all the theatrics, and why so poorly? Obama was able to deport 470,000, whereas Trump did somewhere around 600,000.
The laws are a pretense for action. The goal is racial fear-mongering by any means. Citizens are getting caught up in this and the administration doesn't care.
OP's comment was "why did no one stop the Nazi's". Because it didn't start with the gas chambers. It ended there. We can always make slippery slope arguments. But when that slope starts to look steep....OP's original question kind of answers itself.
People rationalize it, they downplay the atrocities, they don't care for the victims, "it's just the law", any excuse. Current citizens and illegal immigrants are thrown in overly packed cages, starved, no water, and unhygenic. I mean, how close to the gas chambers do we have to get? When they actually start stripping them of their possessions and clothes and wealth? When they start the labor camps?
OP's question is salient. Most people don't act, because it is never bad enough. It never will be. Until one day it finally is. That's why the Nazi's got so far.
Trump isn't going to gas immigrants. No, I don't think that will happen. But the slope looks steep.
Fair enough, but then it's the atrocious execution of enforcement that is to blame - not the laws themselves. Conversely to your own argument, you can't just do away with immigration laws as an option to stop ICE antics, that would be absurd.
Again, the Nuremberg Laws were just that, laws on the books in Germany.
Immigration laws I am fine with, some I disagree with, but that's the nature of government.
Interesting how all the laws ICE breaks aren't part of the discussion. Just the ones immigrants break. Should we engage in overly violent reactions to minor infractions by ICE? Why aren't we?
You see the asymmetry of application of the laws? Obviously, if this were about "law and order", this would be done in an orderly fashion, and disorderly application of the law would be punished in a lawful and orderly way.
But it isn't. Because, obviously. The laws do not matter to this administration. They are a post hoc justification for action. It's why Trump just does whatever and then waits for court challenges. It's why he stiffed his own contractors for decades. He doesn't care for the law.
This focus on "what the law says" for immigrants is bizarre, given Trump obviously does not care what the law says. Trump unilaterally re-allocated funds to ICE to engage in his witch hunt.
When will we stop navel-gazing about "the immigration laws" and start seriously asking "why does Trump continue to find innovative ways to shatter every legal separation of powers"?
Seriously, compared to that, immigration is a far-gone minor issue. And that is precisely how you get to Nazi Germany. So much ink spilled on minor infractions by people with no power, but nothing said about those in the highest positions of power abusing and breaking it daily.
What a farcical debate.