Comment by tombert
4 days ago
People have very little reason to be honest during polls, so I find them hard to believe. Polling data led to predictions about Hillary winning in 2016.
Even if there was a slight “shift right” in black and Asian voters, it was still kind of marginal.
According to Pew, about 83% of black voters still voted for Kamala, with 15% voting for Trump, and 60% of Asians voted for Kamala.
I can envision that much internalized racism in either of those groups, but even if that weren’t the case, there are lots of different races and they could convince themselves that “the other ones” are the bad ones, and Trump won’t hurt them. I do not think what you are saying dispels anything I said at all.
You've yet to provide any evidence to support your claim, so I have very little reason to entertain the idea that internalized racism motivated voters. Seems like motivated reasoning to me
Polls in aggregate are useful at sussing voter feelings, predicting actions is harder. Also, the shift was not that marginal. Certainly enough to help decide the election.
I am not entirely sure how I could provide evidence of internalized racism, so sure that’s more vibes based on my end. I am just saying that I do not think that “more POC voted for Trump so it couldn’t be racism!” is the slam dunk that you think it is.
I don’t think polls are useful at all if the questions involve anything embarrassing. If a pollster asked “why did you vote for Trump” almost no one is going to say “because I don’t like brown people”, especially when it’s trivial to come up with some contrived reasoning about the economy (even when it doesn’t make any sense).