Comment by uyzstvqs
3 days ago
Can't wait for a certain dictator to get a cellmate, so that our Persian and Kurdish friends can have freedom, including free unrestricted internet access.
And for fellow HN users from there, here's some great stuff: https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/ https://bitchat.free/
Sure, a US invasion of Iran would undoubtedly lead to good things. And how can you say the Kurds are friends of the USA (I'm presuming you mean friends of the USA) given how many times they've been abandoned?
Just take a look at what happened to Libya, sometimes removing a "bad person" will cause a far worse situation to evolve. Like literal human slavery.
I will never cease to be amazed at the amnesia that arises when folks in power decide now is a good time to sell a war to the people.
In Iran they have had several police forces join the protestors at this point. Hopefully its a theme that continues and includes the military.
It only takes about 30% of the population supporting the regime plus military intervention to hold onto power. For some time now it seems that they've been below the 30% mark.
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All correct. But something needs to be frontloaded.
1. Even if removing <bad government> would be good for that country, that doesn’t give some other state the right to do it. We let these entities get away with murder because they are our friends and they have the biggest guns, that’s it.
2. Always interrogate the real reasons why a state is doing it.
Now only after that we get to the facts like all those times it ended horribly for the people that <state> was supposed to help.
> a US invasion of Iran would undoubtedly lead to good things.
I think their neighbor would disagree.
> sell a war to the people.
If you have to sell the war, then you have no business conducting it.
Not sure if you read the full parent comment, but they are agreeing with you in case you didn't realize.
You also forget how panama Germany, Japan, South Korea are better now after removing their authoritarian regimes.
You're conveniently leaving out the other 80% of cases, which were failures.
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Unfortunately, that was 75+ years ago and all the more recent examples were disasters as of my knowledge.
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Even as we speak Kurds are getting attacked near Aleppo by US-backed ex-Al-Qaeda president of Syria.
Sadly for the Kurds I’d say they are still pretty good friends to the US, as poorly as it’s been reciprocated.
As for the rest of what you said, no notes.
Yes, both Venezuela and (in your hypothetical) Iran would certainly be better and not worse after US intervention. How could they not, with such a great track record (Iraq, Lybia, Chile, Guatemala,...)!
More likely Asad will get another buddy to play Sounter Strike with - both he and Yanukovich must be bored to death by now in 2 people.
The Kurdish separatists and militants allied with the wrong country and they have very little chance of a state of their own.
Iranians though, sure, things can change with or without the current govt
>The Kurdish separatists and militants allied with the wrong country
Which country is that? Last I checked, the Kurds were helping out the US a couple of years ago and got absolutely screwed.
That's the wrong country
how does Yggdrasil work if ipv6 is dead?
Yggdrasil uses exclusively IPv6 for routing on its own overlay network, but not on the Internet. See https://yggdrasil-network.github.io/faq.html#does-yggdrasil-...
aha! Thanks
It forms its own IPv6 network separate from the internet. It can peer over any IPv4 or IPv6 network, including the internet, LAN, or PTP.
I'm also curious about LoRA / sneakernet applications. Have those been widely used in cases of censorship?
Lora is fine if you want to send a very short message. Its not useful for much else.
Its also not a prevalent technology compared to general.internet/mobile phone.
Organising resistance with it is the pipe dream of those who play with chips and antennas, but its not something thats going to happen when crowds and mobs form up in a situation like this. Not least because the hardware is not accessible to your average citizen.
There are real-world examples of non-internet networks being created in authoritarian regimes. One example I've read about is in Cuba [1] but I presume there are others.
[1] https://restofworld.org/2020/the-life-and-death-of-snet-hava...
Yeah, that makes sense. I’ve curious if there are sneakernet things for communicating messages between passing mobile devices? Something that uses exist hardware and is actually used in practice.
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MbS? MbZ?
Like when the US removed Saddam?
How did that wirk out?
You need more of a plan than just get rid of a dictator.
Iran can end up in a much more dire state. It can end up another Syria / Libya.. or worse another aggressive group like Taliban can take hold of the central government.
I also fear that the looming, imminent war between Israel and Iran is going to make things works. I'm expecting Israel to start a conflict within the next 6 months (or sooner) with the aid of United States.
This is the weakest IRGC have been. Many of their allies have been crippled, they have water issues, economical issues and now protests.
I think that securing Venezuela's oil aids this, should IRAN attempt to disrupt the Strait of Hormuz, it will allow Israel and United States to maintain reserves (to what extend, I don't know).
I think things are going to get difficult for Iranian people, no matter what.
It worked out poorly for America — we got stuck in a long expensive war that we got basically nothing from — but for the average Iraqi? I'd much rather be an Iraqi citizen than an Iranian one, and that wouldn't have been true in the 90s. Saddam was pretty evil — and a bad leader. Iraq's GDP per capita is 6x higher today than it was in 2002, a year before the invasion.
It worked out pretty poorly for the average Iraqi. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were killed (some estimates put it at around 1 million), and millions of people became refugees.
Citing the relative GDP per capita number is reductive and doesn’t give a good picture of the average person’s life.
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This is a pretty wild counter-factual. Reminds me of a report I saw about a hipster cafe existing in Baghdad 2025 as proof of success of the US invasion. What would the alternative have been? How do you factor in the loss of life? I suppose the real answer is asking Iraqis...
We have a pro this time
Who?
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