Comment by afavour
3 days ago
Not to detract from the content here but I do find it very telling that posts about domestic US issues (including protests) repeatedly get flagged on HN, including just today[1], but there are currently two posts about Iranian protests on the front page.
I think this is because anyone who understands the Middle East knows that the fall of the Iranian regime would be more consequential than the fall of the Berlin Wall, not because the Islamic Republic is a global power, but because it has been a central tool for China and Russia and a major engine of terrorism in the Middle East.
Its collapse would rip out a core pillar of their influence and fundamentally change global power dynamics.
I understand the Middle East and know that Iran is our ally in the fight against Zionism. I also understand that these "protests" are inorganic and have failed in their attempt to inflict damage on Iran.
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So you are OK with expeling occupiers, and helping people resist, unless it happens to be Iranians for some reason? Oh yeah, because America bad?
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Thanks for bringing this up, I'm just realizing the same now.
"HN is not a political forum" or "if you expect to see it on the news, it probably should not be on HN" is invoked all the time when there's a post about the US, but never when the story is about any other country.
You only see what's on the front page, not all the things that have been flagged off the front page.
Yes, it is very telling, indeed. Brings up nostalgic memories of Twitter, for me :(
If it's helpful to note, Twitter was always intended to become what it has become. We need to return to organizing our own networks free of this control.
Ah, but that's where our opinions differ. I'm a Twitter expatriate, cast out for daring to have a simple, different, honest opinion. Tried and tried, but the Twitter gods continue to ban me. If you look at my recent past comments, you'll note the negative Twitter influence that reaches, even here. Corruption is everywhere, in my view.
My friends stop communicating when they visit their home in Iran. They did this even when their data and water were flowing.
I'll take the current state of HN over every other forum on the internet.
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That’s not equivalent at all. And even if it was, that’s what downvoting is for, not flagging.
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> There's been a very aggressive push to trump up this story
> trump up
I see what you did there
Unintentional but apt nonetheless!
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You nailed it, it's totally non-organic. There are massive protests in Israel (and the US!), yet small protests in Iran are being absolutely shoved down our throats on every single social media site in preparation for yet another unprovoked attack against Iran by Israel.
Yep. Iran was quite restrained in their attacks during the 12 Day War -- hopefully they made their point about their true nature to any Western observers who aren't completely plugged into the propaganda matrix. This time they need to shove 4 hypersonics right up Unit 8200's ass.
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Yes in America you can have your pick of Pepsi Agenda or Coke Agenda as long as you don't do something like organize protests in Ferguson, at which point you will be murdered in your car and your death reported on page 30 of the newspaper.
There was a federal civil rights investigation into the officer's conduct. There was also an unsuccessful attempt to indict him before a grand jury. The shooting was reported on the front page of the New York Times on Aug. 12 2014. I don't think this example helps you.
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This makes zero sense
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One aspect is that there has been little coverage by the media about these protests that have been going on for close to a couple of weeks and two, presumably the Iranian regular forces are repressing their protestors. People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies didn’t get protested as much if at all. If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
> People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies
ICE, CBP, etc., and the other agencies that have been deployed in what this Administration calls an “immigration crackdown” or “mass deportation effort” or a number of other variations which emphasize that it is a new and more forceful policy, were not carrying out either what that campaign is publicly characterized as by the administration, or the campaign of domestic terrorism against the American population, including murdering citizens on the street, that it actually is, under previous presidencies.
> If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
Aside from demonstrating that the purpose of the campaign is not efficiently increasing deportation of people actually illegally present in the United States (a point that critics of the policy have no problem at all agreeing with), I’m not sure what point you think that comparison makes.
You would think the fact that the ICE goons aren't actually being used for deportations would make these people start to question what they're actually for, but I guess if they were capable of that they never would have believed something like "migrants are the cause of America's economic problems" in the first place.
> People in the US are protesting against what the same organization, despite doing the same job under previous presidencies didn’t get protested as much if at all. If I recall correctly last year the current admin just beat the Obama admin on people deported in a single year.
This is not what people are protesting in the US, though it is a convenient talking point used by MAGA to dodge the issue of ICE deporting US citizens without due process, or straight up murdering them.
"The same organization" is missing the context of it being made the 2nd largest military on earth by the current admin.
obama deported way more if I recall recolec, its all about narratives tho
But did ice agents murdered US citizens cold blooded in the streets?
It's about putting an unaccountable army of masked goons on American streets.