Comment by nottorp

1 day ago

It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance?

Can you buy a Toyota that isn't always online? Because having remote start available, subscription or not, sounds like you can't.

My point was you can buy a car that is primarily safety+capability and not luxury+subscription. My rav4 has a touchscreen and power windows but that’s literally it as far as convenience/luxury. ~28k a couple years ago, no subscription.

Anything heated, remote, touch to start, etc is in the luxury category what gp was asking about avoiding.

  • Depending on the weather, heated mirrors may be a safety feature. I'd very much like that for rain/foggy days for example.

    • This comment section went from “I don’t understand why car makers don’t sell a cheap stripped down car without luxuries” to “Heated mirrors and seats are very important” very quickly.

      HN comments discovering in real time why the stripped-down base model vehicles don’t actually sell. People like those luxury features and they choose to pay extra for them.

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> It depends. What else is included in that subscription? Mirror and seat heating by any chance?

Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question?

Either way, those are again luxury features. If someone is in the market for those features they’re not really looking for the base model any more.

  • > Are you saying it is? Or is this a rhetorical question?

    i don't know. I'm not in the market for a new car atm. And considering how enthittified new cars are, I shouldn't be at all.