Comment by TeMPOraL
2 days ago
Paranoia is justified if it actually serves some purpose. Staying paralyzed and not doing anything because Someone Is Reading Your Data is not serving much of anything. Hint: those Someones have better things to do. LLM vendors really don't care about your bank statements, and if they were ever in a position to look, they'd prefer not to have them, as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them.
> as it just creates legal and reputational risks for them.
Unfortunately I laughed reading this as there is never neither reputation nor legal consequences in the US of A. They can leak your entire life into my console including every account and every password you have and all PII of your entire family and literally nothing would happen… everything is stored somewhere and eventually will be used when “growth” is needed. some meaningless fines will be paid here and there but those bank statements will make their way to myriad of business that would drool to see them
The issue of consequences of data leaks, though real and something I find outrageous, is orthogonal to this discussion. When talking about sending personal or sensitive data to AI companies, people are not worrying about data leaks - they're worrying about AI company doing some kind of Something to it, and Somehow profit off selling their underpants.
(And yes, no one really says what that Something or Somehow may be, or how their underpants play into this.)
sorry I did not mean leak, I meant “leak”
people should 1,000,000% be worried about AI company doing something kind of something with it which they are doing as we speak and if not now will be profiting soon-ish
There obviously is reputation and legal consequences. You can get fined for billions for a far more indirect privacy violation that what you are describing. If any big company ever does that, I won't be touching it with a 10 foot pole. And no I don't believe using data for showing me ad is on the same level of privacy violation.
[1]: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2019/07/...
fining facebook 5bn is like fining me $100. and reputation… please… we all know facebook what facebook is/does, they can release secretly recorded phone calls you are making and it’ll be news for like 17 minutes and people will then keep doomscrolling etc
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If you think people not using a tool released yesterday are staying paralyzed you must be either working for Anthropic or an enthusiastic follower, in both cases your opinion is not valid. None of this is something that is revolutionary and People have created trillion dollar companies without Claude Max
They somehow have to make big money, so it's just a matter of time until they will sell services to others, based on your personal data. And they probably have some clause in their contracts where you give them the right doing it.
You don't remember when people were generating private keys and tokens using github copilot in the early versions? I'm not sure if they ever completely fixed the issue, but it was a bit scary.
I am genuinely confused by this comment, given the intensity of disregard/ignorance/bad-faith.
I mean we had these before in other very similar topics regarding e.g. Snowden leaks but really a lot of things. So.. uh..
The wording is just so on the nose I'm refusing to believe that this was written in good faith by a real person. Good engagement bait tho.
> I am genuinely confused by this comment, given the intensity of disregard/ignorance/bad-faith.
I conversely am confused by the amount of knee-jerk reaction to the word "privacy" people here have.
> I mean we had these before in other very similar topics regarding e.g. Snowden leaks but really a lot of things. So.. uh..
Yes, exactly. Now consider that the world kept on spinning anyway, and the revelations from the aforementioned leaks turned out to have exactly zero impact on the vast majority of people.
To be clear: I'm not questioning the ethical importance of all that privacy talk, just practical importance. It's bad that we don't have more control and protection of our data by default, but at the same time, excepting few people and organizations, the impact is so small in practice that it's not worth the energy spent being so militant about it.
I understand that you have given up and trust me, I can see why one would do that.
That is fine. You can do that.
What is not fine however is discrediting the people that haven't given up as paranoid militant lunatics.
You can be nihilistic, disillusioned, <other adjectives> all you want, but it is not okay to pull other people down and attack them just because they still believe in something you do not appear to be doing (anymore?)
Apathy is okay. Sabotage is not