The $LANG Programming Language
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This afternoon I posted some tips on how to present a new* programming language to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23459210)
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This afternoon I posted some tips on how to present a new* programming language to HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23459210)
For a moment I thought there was actually a new language called $LANG, which would have been wonderful.
I was thinking how it would be odd to have a programming language called en_AU.UTF-8.
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There's a language called SLang inside Goldman Sachs used for their SecuritiesDB, and that's how I read it at first glance even with the dollar sign lol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Dubno#SecDB
That's what I thought too. The $ sign seemed quite appropriate given Goldman's line of business.
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Lang (https://www.jedsoft.org/slang/index.html), a (stack-based) scripting language implementing a terminal UI toolkit. Mutt can use use S-Lang instead of ncurses.
I wonder what a program written in that language looks like.
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See also the Slang shader language, it's a pretty recent development! https://shader-slang.org
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Same! My first thoughts: "Is this language pronounced Lang or Slang? Slang is actually a cool name for a new programming language..."
http://shader-slang.org/ agrees
There has been https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Lang for ages, ...
And even much older: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S_%28programming_language%29
There was a Linux distribution (briefly) called "$DISTRO". Known today as "Ubuntu".
well Raku has the Slangify module https://raku.land/zef:lizmat/Slangify
Goldman Sachs does have a language called Slang
I use that every day at $WORK!
The $LANG programming language, where the keywords are all just in-jokes that change from week to week.
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Likewise. Thought it'd be pronounced "slang", and thought the semantics would be you define LANG=<name of a language> at the top of the file (like a hashbang) and then write in whatever language you please. $LANG is a neato language because it has all the coolest features rolled into one unified design: polymorphic lifetime borrowing, endofunctor monoid monads, (stacked) coroutines, and even quantum data types.
Just wanted to say this post has caused a huge spike in traffic to my language's website: a dizzying ~40 visitors per day up from ~0 haha!
See "The Your Name Here Story" (1960) [1] It's a generic industrial film.
[1] https://archive.org/details/YourName1960
'The Lobster Programming Language (strlen.com)' is duplicated.
IIRC there are quite a few cases in there where the same language got more than one thread. That's fine as long as they're (a) interesting, and (b) a year or more apart! (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html)
This is a fun false positive :) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34675259
Not because it's not a PL, but because:
> This article doesn't use the name "Lisp" enough. The language with the best chance of lasting a long time is the one with the simplest syntax. That is Lisp...
Whoops! I tried to catch those but yes.
Another false positive: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13252407
Thanks for making this!
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Yikes, I tanked HN's performance by posting this! Probably because of loading all those old threads over and over.
I've moved the URL out of the link at the top, which seems to be helping for now.
(now I have to decide whether to go down another rabbit hole and fix that)
https://news.ycombinator.com/showlang is the first time I've seen a direct URL that adds an element to the navbar. Did you make this HN feature just for showlang or are there any other similar links?
See https://news.ycombinator.com/lists, linked from the footer. Those are the main ones.
I won't add /thelang and /showlang unless we have a way of keeping them up to date, which we don't (for now) have.
There is also shownew and highlights at least, I think maybe a few others still
What are these /thelang and /showlang?
Are these like permanent urls that we can use to filter posts?
This makes me thing about what other permanent urls/filters there are. Is there a list somewhere?
They're static lists that won't get updated unless we add to them manually. I'd love to make them auto-update (see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46610744) but that might be too much to expect for now.
Thanks for putting these lists together. When Mint reaches 1.0 I'll use the same format to present it here.
Ah I missed the previous threads about your language, because they didn't follow the title convention I was searching for. I've put https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17161533 - May 2018 (106 comments)
That reminds me, I really should blog my design ideas for my spiritual successor to Python....
the headline made me think somebody else came up with my idea. I wanted to a create a language whose name was langlang. to understand how to parse it, that would be the equivalent as a name to C, and the equivalent to clang would be langlanglang.
I considered the shorter name lang, but lang already has a meaning and I thought then in that world langlang might confuse people as to the actual name of the language, whereas since langlanglanglang is clearly needless overkill in a name, langlang and langlanglang would provide just the right amount readability and reinforcement as to the actual name of langlang.
I feel like there’s an Advent of Code challenge lurking here.
Very useful! Thanks for the addition.
So these are just static pages, not new entries for https://news.ycombinator.com/lists?
Alas, yes, at least for now. Seems like an LLM could be good at finding them though. A regex is probably too crude.
The old lesson from the Wizard of Oz experiment says that a regular expression probably isn't too crude, if you're willing to take the time to design it. Though you could probably get away with running a regex golf algorithm (e.g. https://nbviewer.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313.ipynb) over the list of matching titles, and the union of some list of non-matching-but-close titles (chosen to get good discrimination) with some list of way-off titles (to avoid overfitting). (You could treat the whole HN title database, other than the ones you've identified, as losers, but that risks hardcoding the absence of a post you accidentally missed, and would also take slightly longer – though Peter Norvig's first algorithm takes time linear in the number of losers, so it might not be too expensive. I don't know how expensive his improved versions are, given large lists of losers: https://nbviewer.org/url/norvig.com/ipython/xkcd1313-part2.i.... Better algorithms are surely available.)
That was going to be my suggestion as well.
where can I check out the language?
Maybe someone will make one!
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Programming_Languag...
I did a Show HN for a language called Tsonic yesterday, which is a variant of TypeScript (all tsonic is valid typescript) requiring stronger typing which compiles to x64/ARM native code via .Net/NativeAOT. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46604308
It didn't appear in Show HN at all. Perhaps because another user posted it as a regular topic just a few minutes earlier, which drops off very quickly (within minutes) - but I think the issue is wider.
For a while now, I've felt that the new topics stream requires you to promote the topic outside of HN to be seen on HN - sometimes by adding a "Discuss on HN" link in the blog, or on social networks etc. The problem is quite fundamental: the "Show" link gets a small fraction of clicks. The "Show New" (two clicks away) probably gets tinier, miniscule fraction of clicks. The intersection of people who are interested in the project and those who have clicked "Show New" would be very nearly null. So upvotes will have to come from outside.
That's great! It didn't make the /show page because some of the upvotes were dropped by our software. We can re-up it, but first can you add some text to the post, explaining the background and what's different about it? If you look at what I told the Lax guys earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/showlang :)
I did a Show HN for the language "hyTags" yesterday, too. It's a language embedded in HTML, using tags as syntax. It quickly dropped of the new page:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46599403
Could you add that too to showlang?
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Hi dang, done. Thank you!
Your feedback on the other thread was very helpful - just the right thing to add, irrespective of HN visibility.
The MoonBit Programming Language - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37174619 -Aug 19, 2023 (152 comments)
As with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46618769, that one didn't make it into the list because the title didn't fit the convention. I've added it now. It would be better if it just said "The MoonBit Programming Language" though!
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