Comment by self_awareness

25 days ago

SQLite promotes Christian values but I don't think that they have a problem that a satanist is using their software.

It depends on your definition of racism I guess.

I don't think Gleam has a problem if Kenneth Copeland is using their software, either. The problem arises when you mistreat community members in community spaces; I can't speak for DRH, but I'm reasonably sure if someone waltzed into SQLite's forum denigrating the devs and their religious beliefs, there wouldn't be much hesitation in removing that person from said forum.

  • > I don't think Gleam has a problem if Kenneth Copeland is using their software, either.

    I wouldn't be so sure. In leftist projects, there are countless of examples why someone is not welcome based on their personal beliefs, and because of this I'm cautiously suspicious about Gleam.

    If I'm wrong then the Internet is a better place than I think it is, which would be a good thing. If I'm right, then at least I'll dodge another bullet. Either way I win I guess.

Gleam is the same as SQLite, we have some community values on the website but the licence doesn’t exclude anyone from using the software.

  • It is, however, unfortunate that a single statement on the Gleam homepage generates this exact conversation every time Gleam trends somewhere.

    It's your project, and your community, of course, and I fully respect that. However it doesn't seem good that this statement creates so much friction and controversy for Gleam over and over.

    After all, none of the statement's topics would be "on-topic" for any of the Gleam community hangouts. For instance, it would be equally off-topic for someone to discuss supporting or hating Nazis.

    Perhaps moving the statement to a formal Code of Conduct page would be a "have cake and eat it too" type thing.

    The Gleam community is wonderful, and you've done an incredible job building it. But I don't suspect the homepage statement had anything to do with that.

    • It only happens on hacker news. Elsewhere it is not mentioned or it is praised.

      Gleam does have a formal code of conduct.