Comment by consumer451
25 days ago
> I'm actually a huge fan of "unlimited slow speeds" as a falloff, instead of a cliff.
When on cellular, I like to call that "HN-only mode." It is one of the few web properties that is entirely usable at 2G speeds.
25 days ago
> I'm actually a huge fan of "unlimited slow speeds" as a falloff, instead of a cliff.
When on cellular, I like to call that "HN-only mode." It is one of the few web properties that is entirely usable at 2G speeds.
I would kill for a web renaissance to return to this format of webpages, as least as an option. Not only loading improves, but also navigation and accessibility.
Indeed. That's why, when they finally kill old.reddit, I may legitimately stop using it entirely. They've already banned most of the good apps, forcing the pretty terrible official one.
New reddit is a travesty. It feels a satirical mockery of modern webdev
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I've got a pet theory that old.reddit is actually codified in legal language somewhere as "must always exist."
Otherwise, I can't believe Reddit is actually keeping it around out of the goodness in their cold, dead corporate heart.
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RedReader is a lovely, lightweight Android app for Reddit.
Development is slow, but I've been happily using it since RiF was killed.
Recently the old reddit szopped working for me even after going to account settings and opting out of new design again (it was already marked as being opt out) across all my devices. Even after manually navigating to old.reddit.com, clicking any link would take me to new again. I had to install special extensions to reroute to old reddit everywhere.
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CBC News has a lite version of their news site that they tend to promote around times of natural disaster.
(1) https://www.cbc.ca/lite/news
CNN: https://lite.cnn.com/
NPR has one too: https://text.npr.org
The dutch news (NOS) has their Teletext available via ssh on teletekst.nl.
no lite version as far as I know.
> but also navigation and accessibility
Counterpoint, HN is notoriously hard to use on mobile (still better than some, but it's clearly designed for desktop, and not super responsive).
But agreed, that's independent of the slim nature of the webpage (which is still possible with a good mobile UX).
I've found HN pretty easy to use with both Chrome and Firefox on Android, at default zoom, with my own pocket supercomputer.
Sometimes I manage to hit the updoot or downdoot buttons incorrectly, but that error happens so rarely that I'm amazed at my success.
Responsiveness is very good, as well. Loading is lightning quick in all but the very worst network environments.
It's not perfect by any means (the text box I'm writing this into really should be resizeable, for instance), but it's not bad at all...for me.
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I dont get this. HN is probably one of the easiest sites i regularly use on mobile.
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I find it works perfectly on Safari on iPhone.
> Counterpoint, HN is notoriously hard to use on mobile
No it's not, it's perfect on Vanadium with the zoom set to 125%. Much better than some bloated Javascript monstrosity.
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I'm using the "Glider" app for Android to access HN and its pretty awesome
Agreed. To upvote I often zoom out to make sure I tap the upvote botton and no the downvote one!
Maybe someone can build a service that translates webpages into "reader mode" format, which you can then consume on mobile devices with low bitrates.
That's effectively what Opera Mini did. (And apparently still does, I had no idea it was still functional.)
This is a pretty promising vector for man in the middle attacks.
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If only we could make that conducive to resume-driven development for web developers.
NoScript gets you part way there.
One more realistic option could be to have an "LLM browsing proxy" where you chat with an LLM via text, and it does the browsing and parsing and extracting, with links etc.
lol. It’s called Gemini.
2G speeds are awful, and cell companies clearly want it that way since 3G plans throttled to "2G speeds" and 5G plans still usually throttle to "2G speeds".
Starlink is offering 1Mbps here, which is enough for a normal internet experience. It's enough to stream video at 480p or 720p depending on the exact content and encoding settings.
I've been listening to 32kbit radio streams while on a 64k falloff. It used to be an important feature for me, the 64k up and down. Sounds like nothing, but is usable.
Telegram Messenger works fine at 2G (bar photos/videos, obviously). I was surprised by it. This is an upside of "building your own crypto" or the MTProto protocol, in their case.
Yeah but it's all links to the other places.
TBH I read comments first and in 9/10 can
Except the comments, but who even bothers with those?
Yeah I know. I think it's becoming somewhat of a problem though, people commenting without reading, or only skimming.
My thinking is that we're getting tons of bad articles now that it's so easy to make a bad article that, when skimmed, looks good, and is a good jumping off point for comments.
I think in the past it was somewhat high effort to make such an article, so most articles that look good when skimmed actually WERE pretty good. But now it's trivially easy to make an article that looks good when skimmed, and so we're getting a lot of articles whose only value is a jumping off point for comments.