Comment by mekdoonggi
4 days ago
I would love to hear how you think Trump will manage to get Alberta and Saskatchewan to become US states within this century.
4 days ago
I would love to hear how you think Trump will manage to get Alberta and Saskatchewan to become US states within this century.
Quebec already has laws on the book that make them de jure separate from Canada by claiming the Provincial governments have powers that supersede Ottawa's authority [0]. Nobody really talks about it beyond a, "lol no". It's the foundation of a crisis.
So Canada is already fractured. And there's a strong chance Québécois offer support of Alberta and Sas succession. Perhaps there will be some reciprocity and all three provinces leave Canada at the same time.
Which leaves western Canada in a bit of a pickle.
[0] https://ca.news.yahoo.com/first-reading-quebec-little-notice...
At that point you might have the West Coast states secede and join up with BC.
Cascadia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_movement
I live in a bubble in Calgary, and am from Montreal originally. Despite that, I saw lines of people waiting to sign petitions for separation in smaller cities. People who were happy to have their photos taken while they are signing petitions for separation from Canada.
There are some cultural factors in Alberta which draw it closer to the US than to Ontario and Quebec. Libertarianism, pro-fossil fuels, differences wrt firearms, differences in attitudes to crime and punishment, etc... The perception is that previous compromises around these items are slowly frayed to appease voting blocks in other provinces (mostly Quebec).
Then, the dirty reality; the Canadian economy has never been "great", at least in my lifetime. Nearly my whole class at university wound up going to the US, because one couldn't get a decent paying job in Canada in a lot of fields. Even our current prime minister did a ton of his work abroad. If separating (IE: joining the US) was only an economic question, only a tiny elite would support remaining a part of Canada.
The question Alberta separatists wish to ask is much less dishonest than the Quebec separation question in 95, which leads me to believe they are much more confident about their success. I wouldn't rule it out.
separation != joining the US
There is small but loud group of chronic whiners who hate everything (often including each other) pushing the former.
Almost nobody is pushing the latter.
That might be the rhetoric, but separation means joining the US. The experience of landlocked country would be one of getting taken advantage of by every country around it.
There is a good 20% of people in Alberta who would vote for separation today. Take a close look, they aren't voting to be an independent country surrounded by a hostile country around it and a superpower that hijacks oil tankers to the south.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/red-deer-alberta-ind...
It is a stupid idea because the level of changes that would have to happen to everything would be much, much more than people realize. But Brexit has shown us that people will vote for stupid things if they are sold by trusted-but-dishonest actors
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A separated Alberta would become a de facto Puerto Rico in thrall to the US without any votes.
The Forever Canadia https://www.forever-canadian.ca/ petition collected over 400,000 signatures from Alberta electors.
Then Danielle moved the goalposts to make it easier for the Independence folks:
Signature collection period: January 3 to May 2, 2026 Number of signatures required for a successful petition: 177,732 (10% of the total number votes cast in the 2023 Provincial General Election).
I signed that petition, just like I voted against Quebec's treason of 1995.
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