Comment by throw0101d

> Lawfully? How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

Probably about the same as the US when it was a developing nation. "How the United States Stopped Being a Pirate Nation and Learned to Love International Copyright":

> From the time of the first federal copyright law in 1790 until enactment of the International Copyright Act in 1891, U.S. copyright law did not apply to works by authors who were not citizens or residents of the United States. U.S. publishers took advantage of this lacuna in the law, and the demand among American readers for books by popular British authors, by reprinting the books of these authors without their authorization and without paying a negotiated royalty to them.

* https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/plr/vol39/iss1/7/

Nice. IP is one thing that has ruined many things. Unless you are WIPO and Oracle Fan.

All current AI companies are closed. What benefit?

Most things from Uni are published openly.

BTW, did people in US pay royalty to China for inventing paper?

Intellectual property as it exists and is used today overwhelmingly is used to stifle competition and lock down monopolies. It's used to project power internationally by deputizing foreign countries to protect American business interests. It's a far cry from how it's popularly presented as a way for the "little guy" to protect their inventions.

"stolen" should not be used in conjunction with IP, "infringed" if you like.

To steal is to deny the original owner access to their property. That is true for physical objects, if I steal your wallet or your car you no longer have it.

But if I illegally copy some of your IP you still have access to it. Sure you may experience some financial prejudice from that but you still have it.

Japan did the same in the 70s/80s while growing their homegrown tech companies, over time it seems they've been forgiven. In the end we all benefitted with better products from Sony, Panasonic, Canon, Nikon, and many others.

Their train industry was built on ripping off companies they forced into poor agreements. They have wrecked industries with technological theft. I suppose it’s lawful from the CCP perspective.

Probably around the same amount of IP that US citizens stole from the UK in the 19th century. We stole loads of inventions during the Industrial Revolution.

Does it surprise you to find out that a lot of old money families in the US made their money smuggling opium and other similarly unethical things? We are a nation of crooks and thieves and always have been.

I ask anyone reading this comment to please study history more frequently, it will help you understand the world better.

> How many IPs have they stolen from universities and companies across the world?

As it's often said, "There is no honor among thieves":

https://www.nber.org/digest/mar18/confiscation-german-copyri...

How did the USA end up with the UKs jet engine/radar/other tech? Oh yeah, it was the only way to get the USA's support for the UK during WW2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tizard_Mission

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/america-once-stole-ideas-f...

How many resources did the European and American steal from others?

How many humans were stolen by USA alone?

Does it make it better? No.

But that's it. Everything is shit but while USA got rich through manufacturing in the past, now it's China turn

Ask every American AI company what they think of IP protections. Apparently all intellectual property is fair game now.

Well, I mean, the US is straight up demanding money from its allies (in the form of an "investment agreement" exclusively controlled by the Trump government), and threatening them with economic doom if they don't comply.

Stealing IPs from universities almost look quirky in comparison.

They play things according to their own rules, but at least they have some.

You may have a good point but this shows how badly America's reputation has been damaged: it's now viewed as much worse than China.

Wasnt hollywood set up simply as a safe space to flog camera patents?

IP is unnatural and cannot be "stolen".

And thanks to genAI, it will soon be obsolete.

The Chinese can just request IPs from APNIC too, you know. Or are you referencing the shenanigans with AFRNIC? That still isn't stealing them from companies and universities though. Is there some ongoing mass BGP route hijacking I'm not aware of?

Eh, patents are a silly idea to start with. Can’t expect everyone in the world to get onboard with stupid ideas like that

> How many IPs have they stolen

Oh no, the poor trillion-dollar multinationals and multi-billionaires, whatever would they do?

Fine, I’ll bite. What exactly did China steal in 2025, who did they steal it from, which authorities did the victims approach in China for redress, where did they report failing to get redress?

You would have to know all the above for it to be real.

I still remember the trans hormone experts who don’t understand tariffs.

The US definitely peaked a long time ago, and we're in the slow demise phase of its empire, but I think China has already peaked as well. They have the same obesity and consumerism crises that have plagued the US. Add to that a demographic implosion, and I think the best they can do is hope for 20 more years.

>US on the other hand, has flatlined to the point where we think stuff like trans athletes in sports are a drastic enough reason to elect a president who is a convicted Felon.

This is very one-sided and unfair. The trans stuff is indicative of a larger social movement. For example, in the U.S., it would be illegal to use IQ tests to hire employees while in China, that's practiced. China is far more meritocratic. The U.S. is driven far more by ideology, and the trans stuff is an example of that.

And someone on the other side of the aisle would point to the prosecution of Donald Trump as politically motivated, where opponents found an obscure law that he violated and charged him with 34 counts based on the 34 forms he submitted with the expense mislabelling.

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You know who else was shipping firearms illegally to countries in North America? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal

(Obama administration, although not personally his fault)

We could also discuss the provision of Armalite rifles to terrorist groups in the UK, Iran-Contra (an early accountability failure paving the way for pardon abuse), and so on.

The actual reason was lobbying from US companies that were completely losing the competition because of the much lower price for the same or higher quality. But of course, we can try to come up with stories that don't hurt the patriotism ego.

That’s the point. Unless the system of checks and balances starts working again, there is no practical difference.

> The US? No, Trump.

No, the US, through its government (which is not just the executive branch) as chosen (in theory, via election) and, in practice, tolerated by its population at large.

It's not just Trump. If the US decided not to follow him he would have no power.

In the second Trump term, the rest of the world is justified in viewing the US as the kind of country which will, for the foreseeable future, periodically elect this kind of kakistocratic leadership.

The lesson is finally sinking in, in ways that it did not during the first Trump term. People wanted to believe that is was a one-off. During the first Trump term the argument could be made that it wasn't, but it was debatable. But during the second Trump term it's simply an observable fact that it's not a one-off.

Economic decoupling is a rational response.

Other country only sees that US elected Trump. So, yes, the US.

life isn't easy in china, necessarily, but there's a better, accessible path to become middle class. not in the US. the US is so stratified with wealth inequality and systems to keep people down. People in HN are oblivious with thier $1MM TC.

The US just has better propaganda.

We're already at the point where the president's secret police are throwing flashbang grenades into cars full of kids.

You have already lost. We are far past the problems you're worried about. The worst case is already here. It's happening now.

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Please stop. This is not reddit.

As a Belgian, I don't think there is much point in creating a fake account.

We know the US is different than Trump. But yet, here we are, a wannabe dictator is in control now of the US.

We realized that we have way too much dependencies on the US in a very short time.

It's not going to be easy to unbuckle a >70 year old partnership, but not being prepared if he succeeds will be worse, just ask your Canadian friends.

This guy is willing to sacrifice the entire US for quick personal gain. Luckily it seems he still needs the votes end of November.

Good luck

Politics gets people talking.

Sorry 100% human.

Do you think maybe I created the account so that I could post it and not feel afraid of repercussions, because I live in a fascist country run by thugs?

There are ~ 2 million black men incarcerated in the united states, many engaging in what is effectively modern slavery. I don't think we can effectively weigh human rights atrocities between nations, but the U.S. is certainly not "better" than China in many respects.

> neither the Canada nor Greenland thing is going to happen

Greenland is happening, and will be underway soon. It's just a matter of how much international support it will have initially, and how the USA will strong arm support.

Canada is on the back burner after the realization that a country with a leader who was the Governor of the national banks of two major countries might know a thing or two about economic warfare.

Our official delegation left the Greenland delegation IN TEARS, and we pronounced 'it's happening' afterwards. These aren't shit posters on Twitter, these are our officials and our President ACTIVELY working to take over Greenland.

The FLQ killing two politicians (one being accidental*) is very far removed from the scope of the IRA's terrorism. They were infiltrated to the bone by the RCMP that was trying to get them to escalate to put the war measure act in place and engage in a massive intimidation campaign on the massive peaceful and liberal part of the independence movement, something that is quite reminiscent of what is currently happening in Minneapolis.

*They did kidnap him but didn't intend to kill him, they were dumb revolted teenagers who fucked up.

> Also - There aren't many more things that are more toxic in Canada politics than Trump and Annexation. He single handedly handed the Federal election to the Liberals - it was the Conservatives who were going to win until he but his thumb on the scale.

Watching these discussions from the outside are statistics like four in ten (43%) Canadians age 18-34 would vote to be American if citizenship and conversion of assets to USD guaranteed [1]. I don't think the political similarities or differences between the American right and the Canadian right are what can result in one or more Canadian provinces joining the US; I think it's economic discontent.

[1]: https://www.ipsos.com/en-ca/43-percent-canadians-would-vote-...

Quebec already has laws on the book that make them de jure separate from Canada by claiming the Provincial governments have powers that supersede Ottawa's authority [0]. Nobody really talks about it beyond a, "lol no". It's the foundation of a crisis.

So Canada is already fractured. And there's a strong chance Québécois offer support of Alberta and Sas succession. Perhaps there will be some reciprocity and all three provinces leave Canada at the same time.

Which leaves western Canada in a bit of a pickle.

[0] https://ca.news.yahoo.com/first-reading-quebec-little-notice...

At that point you might have the West Coast states secede and join up with BC.

I live in a bubble in Calgary, and am from Montreal originally. Despite that, I saw lines of people waiting to sign petitions for separation in smaller cities. People who were happy to have their photos taken while they are signing petitions for separation from Canada.

There are some cultural factors in Alberta which draw it closer to the US than to Ontario and Quebec. Libertarianism, pro-fossil fuels, differences wrt firearms, differences in attitudes to crime and punishment, etc... The perception is that previous compromises around these items are slowly frayed to appease voting blocks in other provinces (mostly Quebec).

Then, the dirty reality; the Canadian economy has never been "great", at least in my lifetime. Nearly my whole class at university wound up going to the US, because one couldn't get a decent paying job in Canada in a lot of fields. Even our current prime minister did a ton of his work abroad. If separating (IE: joining the US) was only an economic question, only a tiny elite would support remaining a part of Canada.

The question Alberta separatists wish to ask is much less dishonest than the Quebec separation question in 95, which leads me to believe they are much more confident about their success. I wouldn't rule it out.