Comment by Havoc
20 days ago
I really wish the EU leaned heavily into the cloud basic building blocks.
There's a lot of stuff in big cloud that is genuinely hard to duplicate especially with network effects, but I don't see why they can't throw a billion or 3 at ensuring you've got a homegrown stack that can do VMs, S3, function, container registry, database, block storage, firewall etc - with guaranteed funding, clear licenses, handful of local options perhaps with some sort of local guaranteed certification etc.
Baby steps are better than no steps & a lot of things can be made to run on those building blocks
> I really wish the EU leaned heavily into the cloud basic building blocks.
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> VMs, S3, function, container registry, database, block storage, firewall etc
You think those are building blocks? I think that those are the very tippy-top of the tech stack!
Because, okay, lets say you have already got those things I quoted.
What are you going to run them on (CPU, RAM, storage, etc)? How are they going to talk to each other (Routers, switches, etc)?
It makes no sense, IMO, to have all your software but nowhere to run them. Better to throw that money at ARM/RISC-V development, and you'll literally get startups starting up to build the software for that hardware.
All you're proposing now is (re)building software for a US stack.
> You think those are building blocks?
From the users perspective yes.
EU doesn’t need cloud tech to have cloud tech for the sake of it but rather to build an ecosystem on top of it. The cloud is just the missing plumbing not the end goal
> All you're proposing now is (re)building software for a US stack.
AWS has like 200 services. My point is with the right combination of half a dozen you can cover a big chunk of needs
> The cloud is just the missing plumbing not the end goal
The cloud is the stuff on top off the plumbing - the cloud is the porcelain.
> My point is with the right combination of half a dozen you can cover a big chunk of needs
And my question is still "On what would you run this, and how would it talk to other machines?"
It's not that impressive to say "We're rebuilding our US-based tech stack so that it is still based on US tech", is it?
Didn’t moving to the cloud exacerbate the problem in the first place?
Baby steps are better than no steps & a lot of things can be made to run on those building blocks
Yes. EU citizens should not let others (or themselves) talk them down. Yes, it will be an enormous job, but it's how you tackle any job - step by step. And there are a lot of things that can already be moved, like e-mail, code forges, databases, etc.