Comment by TkTech

21 days ago

I might have missed it, but no mention of _where_ data is stored in the FAQ and seems critically reliant on Cloudflare.

In a changing world, what's the selling point for those outside of the USA? Why would our company pick this over self-hosting when our country is threatened with American annexation almost weekly? If I go with Zulip, mattermost, rocket.chat, matrix, etc I introduce maintenance overhead but I don't have to worry about unstable politics or a disliked tweet getting us sanctioned and banished from American-hosted services. The chat platform we use internally is critical business infrastructure and so we're required to ask these kinds of questions for business continuity.

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BozeWolf  21 days ago

I was about to ask the same thing. I saw mentioning of gdpr, feels like at least some europeans are involved.

However: I don’t want to have my data in the US for at least 3 years. For businesses outside the US: they simply cannot have their data in US anymore.

Build european/non-us would be a great argument to use this product.

  • yadavrh  21 days ago

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    • Imustaskforhelp  21 days ago

      I recommend you take a look at bunny.net, an Cloudflare alternative which is European and can support deno workers and so you are much more likely to be able to use it

      Regarding Cloudflare r2, there might be many but I like the idea of Upcloud and you can get yourself say a 3.50 euros machine there and (they got unlimited egress! Wish I was sponsored by them lmaoo) and their block storage is around 20 Euros per month for unlimited egress. They provide 1-24 TB per month free unlimited but after that its capped at 100mbps for unlimited amount of time and I don't think that it could be an issue in this case? And you can always get more 3.50 euros servers to get more 100mbps unlimited so the possibilities are endless

      OVH provides unlimited egress as well and OVH is another good bet. I love both for unlimited egress if what you are doing is very bandwidth intensive in the first place

      Both are European. I have heard good things about scaleway too

      Also searched bunny and looks like it provides some storage service too and unlimited egress to bunny cdn from that https://bunny.net/pricing/storage/

      Looks neat.

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yadavrh  21 days ago

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  • usefulposter  21 days ago

    Please respect the HN community and kindly disclose when you are using an LLM to respond to user feedback.

  • janmalec  21 days ago

    This response sounds very much like LLM. "You've hit on a core part of our mission.". lol

    • OccamsMirror  21 days ago

      This rule of three structure too: "We are a Western European company, so GDPR and data sovereignty are at the heart of our architecture, not an afterthought."

  • monooso  21 days ago

    In terms of data sovereignty and security, the location of your servers is irrelevant if you're a U.S.-based company, thanks to the CLOUD act[1] (emphasis mine).

    > The CLOUD Act primarily amends the Stored Communications Act (SCA) of 1986 to allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil.

    So, are you a U.S.-based technology company?

    [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act?wprov=sfla1

  • nusl  21 days ago

    This is a copy-paste from some sort of LLM, which doesn't inspire any confidence. Pasted it twice too