Comment by TkTech
6 hours ago
I might have missed it, but no mention of _where_ data is stored in the FAQ and seems critically reliant on Cloudflare.
In a changing world, what's the selling point for those outside of the USA? Why would our company pick this over self-hosting when our country is threatened with American annexation almost weekly? If I go with Zulip, mattermost, rocket.chat, matrix, etc I introduce maintenance overhead but I don't have to worry about unstable politics or a disliked tweet getting us sanctioned and banished from American-hosted services. The chat platform we use internally is critical business infrastructure and so we're required to ask these kinds of questions for business continuity.
I was about to ask the same thing. I saw mentioning of gdpr, feels like at least some europeans are involved.
However: I don’t want to have my data in the US for at least 3 years. For businesses outside the US: they simply cannot have their data in US anymore.
Build european/non-us would be a great argument to use this product.
You've hit on a core part of our mission. We are a Western European company, so GDPR and data sovereignty are at the heart of our architecture, not an afterthought.
Two big things on the data front: 1. Local-First: Since the primary storage is on your own devices, you have much more direct control over your data custody than with traditional SaaS. 2. Regional Hosting: We'll be offering a choice of data residency. If you need your data to stay within the EU for compliance or security, you can simply toggle that.
I recommend you take a look at bunny.net, an Cloudflare alternative which is European and can support deno workers and so you are much more likely to be able to use it
Regarding Cloudflare r2, there might be many but I like the idea of Upcloud and you can get yourself say a 3.50 euros machine there and (they got unlimited egress! Wish I was sponsored by them lmaoo) and their block storage is around 20 Euros per month for unlimited egress. They provide 1-24 TB per month free unlimited but after that its capped at 100mbps for unlimited amount of time and I don't think that it could be an issue in this case? And you can always get more 3.50 euros servers to get more 100mbps unlimited so the possibilities are endless
OVH provides unlimited egress as well and OVH is another good bet. I love both for unlimited egress if what you are doing is very bandwidth intensive in the first place
Both are European. I have heard good things about scaleway too
Also searched bunny and looks like it provides some storage service too and unlimited egress to bunny cdn from that https://bunny.net/pricing/storage/
Looks neat.
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You guys are awesome! I hope you will succeed.
Any way to migrate my data from slack to Dock?
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@dang the founder/op’s responses seem to be getting flagged erroneously
From the comments it looks like people are flagging them as AI content.
You've hit on a core part of our mission. We are a Western European company, so GDPR and data sovereignty are at the heart of our architecture, not an afterthought. Two big things on the data front: 1. Local-First: Since the primary storage is on your own devices, you have much more direct control over your data custody than with traditional SaaS. 2. Regional Hosting: We'll be offering a choice of data residency. If you need your data to stay within the EU for compliance or security, you can simply toggle that.
In terms of data sovereignty and security, the location of your servers is irrelevant if you're a U.S.-based company, thanks to the CLOUD act[1] (emphasis mine).
> The CLOUD Act primarily amends the Stored Communications Act (SCA) of 1986 to allow federal law enforcement to compel U.S.-based technology companies via warrant or subpoena to provide requested data stored on servers regardless of whether the data are stored in the U.S. or on foreign soil.
So, are you a U.S.-based technology company?
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act?wprov=sfla1
This response sounds very much like LLM. "You've hit on a core part of our mission.". lol
This is a copy-paste from some sort of LLM, which doesn't inspire any confidence. Pasted it twice too
Please respect the HN community and kindly disclose when you are using an LLM to respond to user feedback.
please don't reply to HN comments with AI responses