Comment by jvanderbot
19 days ago
Oh, I suppose one could interpret it as literally as possible, and arrive at that essay's conclusion.
I have always considered the following to be basically synonymous:
* In the absence of info, consider the intended output of the system to be what it is measured to be
* The output of the system is best determined using observation vs reasoning
Most of the examples there are moreso about two systems colliding. Yes, the purpose of the military is to disable the enemy and by god they are disabling a lot of each other so much so that they don't seem to be doing much else.
Except the bus system, in which the purpose is indeed to turn fuel into exhaust, because the busses move whether they are full or not. The purpose of busses is to drive around, and it so happens people like to use them. If the purpose of busses was to shuttle people around, it could be done several other better ways.
If the purpose is to gamble, it can be done many other ways. This system seems purpose-designed (or purpose-emergent) to coax out secret information in the form of large bets.
That is the "Single Cause" Fallacy or Causal Reductionism. That is the tendency to oversimplify a complex system by highlighting one "root cause".
Selecting a single measurement is the same as selecting a purpose.
Either way, we see people can choose a nonsense root cause, to argue something specious by defining a nonsense POSIWID.
There's also a crossover with the human tendency to try and attribute causes to the bosses of a system. Sometimes systems are emergent and are not designed/run by any specific person. Especially when hallucinating benefits to specific people e.g. "follow the money". I'd like to define this as "agentic reification of emergent systems" however unfortunately modern times are creating noise around each of those words.
In general I find it interesting to see how people argue about systems. From what I see, very few people understand the systems they comment upon - instead most people rely on political memes and shallow analysis instead of any deeper rational thinking. I've been decomposing my own thinking about mortgages for a while and I'm still terribly ignorant about that system!
Aside: and thank you: I found out about the Glowies meme while writing this comment, meme seeded by Terry Davis https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=TerryADavis