Comment by ChrisMarshallNY
1 day ago
One big difference between the two cultures, is the British caste system.
It's important for us to Know Our Place. Me mum[0] was British, and I used to see this attitude, all the time.
Climbing is OK, but you need to do it properly. Americans are told "Don't take that shit! Force them to accept you!", while British are told "Tsk. Tsk. You can't do it that way! You need to join their club, before you try going to their level."
Heroes are often those that accept their lot.
Caste system, as in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XmB59Ax4cE ?
Along the lines of https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwel... , I'd maintain the US national fiction is "the US is a classless society".
lagniappe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPPpjU1UeAo vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TQmo5TvZQY vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__HPfmvaWRw
> US national fiction is "the US is a classless society"
I wouldn't say that.
It's just that we believe that there's no birthright caste. Mobility is possible between all classes. Sometimes, though, it's really difficult; just not impossible.
Big difference, in mindset.
https://www.thepsmiths.com/p/joint-review-class-by-paul-fuss...
What makes the firepit so heartbreaking is that it’s almost an example of attempting upward mobility the correct way, since — as you note — in the upper echelons of the American class system, taste and style and behavior are what really stratify people. The problem is that the purchaser lacks the class background to understand the shibboleths and so gets led terribly astray. It’s like some poor fool trying to seem very educated and cultured by reading The New Yorker (if you want to impress, try the New York Review of Books, or better the London Review of Books).3 This information asymmetry is what defeats so many attempts at direct social climbing. You can’t make a frontal assault on the class above you. They will see you coming.
It's heartbreaking that hackers (and "technocrats", with the sole exception of the above masters of p-hacking??) have not really taken into their system that cultural mobility >>> economic mobility, given how much easier it is on paper..
(I'd say HN is a laudable attempt tho at uh CULTURAL REVOLUTION that parallels this admins' :)
I think someone else said that even the "Jobs-Powell dynasty" is going to take a couple generations to get close to the Drumpfts? (How about the Vance dynasty?)
Oh. I try to remember theres often an implicit downward in front of mobility
https://archive.ph/2026.01.23-052820/https://www.thepsmiths....
"Mobility is possible between all classes."
So it isn't classless?
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Not sure what the latter videos are about, but that Orwell Foundation link is packed with some serious ham. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome.
A "lagniappe" is a bonus, so the videos are just bonus tracks.
(if you want an exercise with them, however, attempt to figure out by which means the folks depicted in which video make a living:
hints in rot-13)
And of course you get just as much snobbery from your own class about wanting to climb.
It is possible for a working class person to become Middle class. But you have to be born to the Upper Classes. You can get some way by sending your Children to public school (The perverse name for the most exclusive private schools!). The kids might make it, but you will always be 'new money'.