Comment by josephcsible
13 days ago
> FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders.
Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to. Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?
> Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to
How would this even work? You can’t just start billing things to Medicaid if you’re ineligible for it. That would be like you deciding to bill United Healthcare for something despite not being a customer. How is this hypothetical fraud supposed to work? What am I missing?
> Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?
ICE isn’t auditing Medicaid. They’re trying to use records to find people to detain and deport which is an orthogonal dataset.
The only plausible explanation is that they’re using medical records as an additional source of data on people who live in houses that they’re raiding or looking at.
Which is insane. Imagine police rolling up to your front door on suspicion of something and loading up a system which has your medical records.
> Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to
Why are you presuming this? There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion.
> Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?
If it is being honest about it's intention, yes. I think we have seen an absolute mountain of evidence that this administration does "audits" as massive data collection waves to suit any and every purpose they want, though.
If this was about fixing things being done incorrectly, DHHS should be doing the audit, not DHS. Perhaps the latter doesn't understand the difference between the two, though, not noticing they're missing an H in their abbreviation.
> There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion.
Isn't the point of this data so that they can uncover exactly that? It'd be silly to say you're not allowed to look for evidence of anything unless you already have evidence of it. Also, the qualifier "in any widespread fashion" is weasel words. It makes me think you already know it is happening, and the only remaining question is to what scale.
How exactly would non-citizens, who do not have social security numbers or other valid identifying documents, receive medicaid? It's difficult enough for qualified people to get it. It would seem fairly difficult to pass the registration process without having a valid SSN. Furthermore, if someone was able to fraudulently sign up - say by using a stolen identity, then wouldn't the data in the system look valid and therefore not really show up on an audit?
And as the GP pointed out, it makes no sense to put the president's paramilitary agency¹ in charge of such an audit, rather than qualified auditors, perhaps from the HHS² OIG³.
1. https://www.newstatesman.com/world/americas/north-america/us...
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_He...
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Inspector_General_(U...
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Raceumedly
ICE isn’t auditing Medicaid FFS. And no, there’s absolutely no evidence they’re getting access to Medicaid.
They’re single mindedly looking for undocumented immigrants to deport.
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The FBI was investigating the daycare fraud in February 2025. Unfortunately, some of the investigators got moved off this investigation to do anti-immigration work instead, reported by NYT last week.
if there are massive frauds, DOGE should've revealed that. The fact that people keep spewing no investigation while there should be several times shows how ignorant people is.
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> The massive Somali fraud had no evidence
It's weird, then, that most of them (and it's, like, 60 Somalis out of 80k) were already on trial[0] a good month before ...
> a random YouTuber started knocking on quality learing center doors
"As of December 2025, subsequent investigations by state officials have not found evidence of fraud at the sites Shirley visited."
Oh no, that doesn't sound like a "massive Somali fraud", does it?
(Also he's not "a random YouTuber" - he's a former prankster turned full MAGA right-wing agitator[1] and that should tell you all you need to know about his credentials and honesty.)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feeding_Our_Future
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Shirley ("he repeated a false claim", "has falsely implied", "also amplified Trump's false claim", etc.)
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Not true. NYTimes had reported on it
Are you not aware that that story you just repeated was propaganda from the start, and completely debunked by the facts?
Look it up. And take the red pill.
That is false. There has been lots of prosecution of fraud in Minnesota including by Somalis. When a random YouTuber started accusing places without much evidence this blew up but didn't do anything to help actual investigations of corruptions. It did help Trump push his racist agenda and claim we need to deport Somalis because of actions of a handful of individuals. Which is nonsense not only when one compares it to the massive corruption from the Trump administration but when one realizes most Somalis Americans already have citizenship and a good deal are born in the US
Are you being sincere with this comment? I’m in disbelief you could post this with good faith, but this forum requires me to respond to you with the assumption that you’re posting in good faith.
First of all, the investigation for the fraud had already wrapped up years ago, with many charged. You’re falling for the propaganda that this was ongoing and swept under the rug, as pretense that apparently an occupying force is necessary because Somalians are fraudulent criminals (racist AF), despite the incredible amount of fraud (including Medicare fraud!) within the ruling party at the moment.
Second of all, the ringleader was a white woman who was convicted for this fraud, presumably preying on desperate immigrants, maybe even convincing them that “fraud was the American way”, I mean look at the president - how could fraud not be the American way?
Third of all, that YouTuber has a less than room temperature IQ, and was going around to closed daycares to prove that… they weren’t open? The rightwing grift is so powerful and so lucrative that this absolute imbecile can make it big by giving other imbeciles a justification for their deep-seated racism. Honestly, go listen to interviews with this guy. It’s astounding that anyone trusts any content he puts out, because that’s just what it is - content, not investigative journalism.
Anyway, I guess since some Somalians were involved in fraud we get to occupy cities, tearing anyone brown with an accent away from their family, maybe allowing them to prove citizenship (maybe not), and begin shooting anyone who adds friction to that process (civil disobedience)? That’s the implication of your comment.
Tell me when we can start prosecuting fraud when it’s attached to an (R), by the way.
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What amazes me about MAGA is that some claim to like Star Trek.
This is from "Way of the Warrior", when the dominion had managed to con the Klingons into invading Cardassia.
KAYBOK [on viewscreen]: We have orders to search all vessels attempting to leave Bajoran space.
KIRA: Search them for what?
KAYBOK [on viewscreen]: For shape-shifters. Each ship will be scanned, its cargo searched, and its crewmembers and passengers subjected to genetic testing.
SISKO: On whose authority?
KAYBOK [on viewscreen]: On the authority of Gowron and the Klingon High Council.
KIRA: The Klingon High Council has no jurisdiction over ships in Bajoran space.
KAYBOK [on viewscreen]: We assumed you would welcome our assistance.
SISKO: Do you have any evidence that there are changelings aboard this particular ship?
KAYBOK [on viewscreen]: How can we have evidence until we conduct our tests?
KIRA: Commander, Bajoran law strictly prohibits any unwarranted search and seizure of vessels in our territory.
KAYBOK [on viewscreen]: I have my orders.
Compared to
ICE: We have orders to search all people attempting to live in America
Search them for what?
ICE: For illegal immigrants. Each center will be scanned, it's users searched, and their finances and medical history subjected to AI pattern recognition
On whose authority?
ICE: On the authority of Trump and the Federal Government
Trump has no jurisdiction over people in Minnesota
ICE: We assumed you would welcome our assistance.
Do you have any evidence that there are illegal immigrants in this particular learning center?
ICE: How can we have evidence until we conduct our tests?
The Constitution strictly prohibits any unwarranted search and seizure of vessels
ICE: I have my orders.
*Technically this point in the episode it was after the Dominion/Russia interference with the high placed Dominion/Russian asset, but before the Klingons/America invaded Cardassia/Greenland.