Comment by Imustaskforhelp

1 day ago

I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general)

I wouldn't consider it a rant per se but rather that India's trying to move towards an multi polar deal and EU and India actually has a more net negative and Indians are wary of this deal even more so but on aggregate the deal would be extremely beneficial if seen from both sides with reason.

Also isn't UK trying to pester back into the EU again. It's super complicated to follow even as someone who follows geo-politics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_...

> I mean perhaps, yea I must've got sidetracked by India's colonial past but for the average Indian I would consider for that passage that they generally equate UK to be part of EU usually. (Perhaps from the pre-brexit era's or just in general)

When I started writing about jallianwala bagh I probably got distracted because I used to be part of drama club and we had this act when we were young and literally the amount of people dying and everything truly shocks one & genuinely disturbs one.

I recommend this documentary to know more about Jallianwala bagh massacre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JZJx67cvo

I think my point which kind of got muddied up is that India wants to cozy up to EU and build things together but not to UK so much. India's extremely sensitive regarding UK given its past and in this deal,is cautious about EU and UK making ties again or any such discussions too.

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hardlianotion  13 hours ago

India has literally just finished agreeing a significant new trade deal with the UK.

  • Imustaskforhelp  7 hours ago

    I guess I can only give anecdotal evidence as there aren't any surveys about it but India posseses a historical resentment towards UK.

    I guess only time will tell how the Indian public perceives such deal.

    • hardlianotion  4 hours ago

      Judging by the very large Indian community living in the UK, and the extensive community and business links between the two countries, I imagine “very well”.

coffe2mug  15 hours ago

I really think we (as OCI/NRI) should move on from using Jallianwala or whatever. This doesn't help. Don't use BS to justify.

Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices.

Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years.

Who did what? You need to fix your own country. Even if British didn't invade - the princely states of India were feuding. Fighting. If it was not one country then TN and Karnataka would have gone to war.

UK were open minded to elect a non- white as PM in UK. Though he was very bad for for UK.

Do some creative things instead of using colonial things. Nobody cares. If some from that family hate UK or west then why come and live a happy life here (being UK/EU citizens). As an OCI holder, I get better treatment at immigration than I was an Indian citizen.

While lots of things exist like ISRO etc there is still abject poverty, pollution, health care issues.

Yes, India sends talents. Myself living about 10 years here.

But note. TCS etc employees gain more coming here than they contribute. Yes, skill shortage etc. at the end while using the fantastic TGV here in France - I am benefiting more than contribute despite working in a high tech scientific industry.

Eventually Bihari in TN will say I did so much work in Coimabatore mills but you guys are treating me shit; and for the non-hindi speaking Tamil in Pune they treat like shit.

If all these are better the internal economy will be great. On path to some self sufficiency. No. Instead you come here to insult current EU UK citizens. It is of no use.

The point is even if Sundar Pichai was in India he would not have built a Google.

You can be cautious but at the end people like Bhavish Aggarwal or biju or l&t CEO etc are the ones you get there. They don't give a shit about people. Until then people will try to move here. Fix that.

Otherwise people will come here to work. Just 9-5. No sat/sunday work. No fking Manager would call you after office hours.

(Again, there will be YouTube videos of NRI telling - it is better life in India than USA/EU. Yes, true. If you are 10%top earner in India or at the

  • Imustaskforhelp  13 hours ago

    Wtf am I reading...

    How can you even suggest moving from Jallianwala bagh when so many people were killed in the most gruesome way. I suggest you to watch the documentary once and then go ahead and suggest the same.

    > Come to reality. Present or at least last 10 years.

    ??? No, it is our bloody past that we will never forget what the British did that day.

    Even British historians from documentaries mention that people in Britain think that British empire was "the good guys" but in reality, the atrocities committed were equal to nazi germany levels and they really tried to suppress this information getting out.

    Would you say to a Jew to come to reality right now? Do you realize how in-sensitive things are you talking about right now??

    Heck, Even Germany apologized about the genocide that it took against the jews (holocaust) but Britain has never issued an true sincere apology about it in much capacity.

    > Every damn guy that get visa refused uses this and in a way insults those sacrifices.

    Those weren't only just sacrifices. Those were cold hearted murders by British people to "fire higher" & a calculated attack to kill.

    Now you mention some problems within India.

    UK extracted $64.82 trillion from India during colonial rule & we are still improving. I am not kidding when I say that UK left us in freaking shambles and the partition day echos screams too.

    You mention Indian states fueding. Well, firstly they are now Indian states but they were sovereign nations comprising the now Indian states. Suppose EU and America are feuding over greenland too, so would your suggestion be for say China to occupy both to create peace? Do you realize the ludicrousness in your comment?

    Do you realize that Britain tried the rowlatt act and so many other acts which was the FREAKING reason that Jallianwala bagh massacre took place.

    People were humiliated on a street where they had to rub their noses and walk on all fours and crawl. There can be no justification for this.

    Do you realize that whole of India voted against any British law that restricted Indian freedom yet they still passed the law iirc?

    India has its issues right now some because of its colonial past. I am Indian. I am trying to call a spade a spade and you aren't. If I am wrong, feel free to correct me about anything.

    So even if India has its issues and I will admit nobody likes talking about Indian issues than Indian themselves. My point is, we are working on fixing them. We have a multi party system with decentralization & we are seeing growth and India has 0 angel tax, 0 startup tax, insanely good seed funds by GOVT itself and green tech cities and startup cities like bangalore, gurugram etc.

    But in no way of form does India having problems try to justify the bloody past and not even Britishers try to justify it now so its crazy to see your wild response (let's admit UK's having problems too, Every country does and that's okay and that's my point)

    As I have mentioned repeatedly, I am not against EU but you can absolutely see why some people in India are worryful of the deal given UK was part of EU (pre-brexit) and wants to come back (like tf?)

    I am not saying that UK people are all like this. What I am saying is that they take pride in the former british empire from what I can gather when it was established on mass exploitation and blood bath.

    Building railways in India would be beneficial “to the commerce, government and military control of the country”, Governor General Lord Hardinge had said in 1843. The fact that it was not Indians that urged the rapid construction of railways in the country, but the Chambers of Commerce of Manchester and Glasgow, and the European Chambers of Commerce at Calcutta and Bombay, underlines why the British built railways in India — to make exploitation of raw material more efficient.

    Read more at: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/transportation...

    Britain was very much racist during that time (from what I can gather, there are still certain parties and people who are racist towards Indians)

    Simply put, Britain extracted 60 trillion $ worth of our wealth, built railways to only exploit us further, killed people in massacres and humiliated them, tried to really really put down the revolutionaries for so long.

    This is our past. The scars of our past still haunt India. If you can't show sympathy or have to say things like this is what people say after not getting Visa then that's so disgusting to say.

    I hope I have made my stance clear. Out of our respect and sympathy to elders and our nation's sovereignity, India generally suggests to distance ourselves from UK.

    India prefers a partner like EU much much over UK. We really don't want to negotiate much with UK from what I can tell. But once again, the question is if UK wants to pester back into EU, we will be questionable about any such free trade agreement.

    I have nothing against the genuine normal UK people and businesses tho. I talk with UK vps providers on quite a frequency but just, I want to point out that we are aware of our past. We always will be.

    I am just saying that even those UK provider would be/have been more sympathetic than you because literally not even british historians argue anything and the question they ask is if they should apologize or not but I feel like the apologies if insincere would be worth nothing.

    It's saddening to see people with such mentality as yours in a forum I enjoy. I have tried to put forth reason first.

    Propaganda works man, I don't blame you, When enough things get repeated, we repeat the same.

    But I know that you are smart, so use reason not propaganda to answer such query. I highly recommend you to enlighten yourself over what happened in Jallianwala bagh massacre from the youtube documentary that I provided.

    I am willing to have a good faith discussion (only after you watch the documentary), have a nice day.