Comment by wooptoo
13 days ago
Am I the only one who's not buying into the Wayland hype? I just want X11 support not to fall into disrepair, as I see nothing wrong with it.
13 days ago
Am I the only one who's not buying into the Wayland hype? I just want X11 support not to fall into disrepair, as I see nothing wrong with it.
I don’t see much Wayland hype. It’s boring plumbing for most people, isn’t it? Most of us are just going along with whatever the volunteer plumbing community decided to put together.
(xfwl4 author here.)
I'm also not a big fan of Wayland, to be honest. But that's the way the winds are blowing. X11 has its problems, but even if they are fixable, no one seems to want to work on Xorg anymore. I'm certainly not prepared to maintain it and push it forward. Are you?
Depending on Xorg today is more or less ok, but I do expect distros will stop shipping it eventually.
> I just want X11 support not to fall into disrepair
Are you also willing to maintain it?
Are you willing to write accessibility support for the new xfce only wayland compositor? How will you get every other wayland compositor to support your non-'wayland core' accessibility extension?
People like to frame things like the waylands are some sort of default and nothing is being lost and no one is being excluded.
Everyone has settled on an accessibility standard (Matt Campbell's). So it's not "your" accessibility protocol, it's already "the" accessibility protocol. This is working as intended IMO: allow things to compete and future in the wild and then pick the fittest.
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Honestly at this point, I would be willing to pay $10-20 a month just for someone to maintain Xorg and xfree86. I really doubt I am the only one.
If the XLibre project appears to be making enough fairly-consistent progress for you to be comfortable tossing around some cash, then do gather up some likeminded folks to hire a dev to follow the guidance here [0] and help out!
Do note that I've never tried to croudfund a programmer, but that's something that I have to believe is possible to do.
[0] <https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver?tab=readme-ov-file#i-wan...>
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Some cognitive dissonance going on here. The vast majority of current Linux Desktop users are on Wayland, and X11 is phased out across the board. Calling it hype is absurd.
> Some cognitive dissonance going on here.
The cognitive dissonance I perceive goes like "No one is being paid to work on X11, therefore I should volunteer to work on Wayland."
So I guess Windows is actually the future then by your argument because that's used by even more users.
It's wild this is what you took from that, but no. My issue was with the word 'Hype'. Would you call windows Hype because it's bigger?
Sure, but do you have any facts to backup that assertion?
Ubuntu and Fedora dropping X11:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/12/ubuntu_2510_to_drop_x...
https://itsfoss.com/news/fedora-43-wayland-only/
Kde Plasma 6.8 dropping X11:
https://itsfoss.com/news/kde-plasma-to-drop-x11-support/
Suse dropping X11:
https://documentation.suse.com/releasenotes/sles/html/releas...
Yes, you are the only one in the entire world who hasn't fallen for it. Well done.