Comment by poulpy123
5 hours ago
Isn't the switch from X11 to Wayland the most painful switch that happened in the linux world ? Even going from python 2 to 3 was not as bad
5 hours ago
Isn't the switch from X11 to Wayland the most painful switch that happened in the linux world ? Even going from python 2 to 3 was not as bad
The move from kernel 2.4.x to 2.6.x was pretty painful. The absolute slog from 2.6 to 3.0 and a development model that a least somewhat resembles the model used today was exhausting.
In case you weren't there, the "even" kernels (e.g. 2.0, 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6) were the stable series while the "odd" kernels (e.g. 2.1, 2.3, 2.5) were the development series, the development model was absolutely mental and development moved at a glacial pace compared to today's breakneck speed.
The pre-git days were less than ideal. The BitKepper years were... interesting, politically and philosophically speaking.
Also, KDE4 was a dark, dark period.
To me the most painful switch was Gnome 2 to Gnome 3. I still miss Gnome 2.
I left Gnome 3 for other WMs (eventually settled on cinnamon), but every once in a while I decided to give Gnome 3 a try, just to be disappointed again. I felt like those people in abusive romantic relationships that keep coming back and divorcing over and over again. "Oh, Gnome has really changed now, he won't beat me again this time!".
X11 to Wayland was painless for me. I guess it depends on what you need from it.
What about systemd?
Systemd was easy for me. All things worked in transition and have the big advantage that don't need shell scripts for create services. Wayland..., is slow, buggy, applications close without reason...
How on earth would Wayland be slow? Like it's literally an IPC on top of the lowest level Linux kernel API (DRM), displaying buffers.
It was partially made for car infotainment systems that are knowingly weak hardware.
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systemd was a problem for early adopters (e.g., Fedora). Distros like Debian joined the party later and, as a result, got things way more stable. I never had any systemd-related problem in Debian, while for Fedora (some years earlier) I had some bugs affecting my ability to work. They all seem to work very fine now. Things took a while to mature, but it just works now.
I haven't had a single issue with Systemd and the transition was measured in years, not decades.
Just wait. In 8 years, Wayland will be as old as X11 was when Wayland was created.
Then we'll make Wayland 2.
X11 was basically used everywhere when it was released
Not really, /lib -> /usr/lib was worse for me
Cries in KDE3 -> KDE4