There's a big difference between cutting off all foreign-born talent—and addressing the serious issue of graduate school turning into an immigration racket; the current issue with graduate degrees is a very close mirror to the issue with H1b worker visas. The abuse of both systems has harmed Americans—and to some extent the long-term health of the tech industry and the academy.
American is built on immigration, and nearly all of us are immigrants or very recent descendants of immigrants. How in the world has immigration harmed Americans?
Who cares if it's an easy path if the person graduates with the degree. It should be easy to immigrate here if you get an advanced degree. If you get a degree not in demand then you should be just as unhireable
I mean, yes, the benefits (and sometimes harms) of those companies to humanity reach multiple orders of magnitude more people than the microcosm of the Bay Area housing crisis.
This is a non-sequitur. Making immigration impossible or stopping science funding or whatever is not going to change the behavior of a market profiting off of housing.
I think for any proposal to change policy that has serious impacts on the economics of the country, we should really be very clear on what problem we see, how we plan to solve it, and what specific trade-offs we're making with our solutions.
Even calling it “illegal immigration” lends fuel to the fire. There’s a very distinct difference between crossing the border illegally and violating the terms of a legally acquired visa or stamp. The latter is a civil matter which is why people weren’t historically rounded up and detained under threat of violence or murder. So yeah this whole thing is strictly about xenophobia being used to whip up the in group about an out group so we don’t look too closely at EG Venezuela or the sales process for presidential pardons.
Yup, so that we can loose our innovation edge and loose the next Apple, Google or Nvidia. Amazing plan.
There's a big difference between cutting off all foreign-born talent—and addressing the serious issue of graduate school turning into an immigration racket; the current issue with graduate degrees is a very close mirror to the issue with H1b worker visas. The abuse of both systems has harmed Americans—and to some extent the long-term health of the tech industry and the academy.
American is built on immigration, and nearly all of us are immigrants or very recent descendants of immigrants. How in the world has immigration harmed Americans?
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Who cares if it's an easy path if the person graduates with the degree. It should be easy to immigrate here if you get an advanced degree. If you get a degree not in demand then you should be just as unhireable
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Would you be ok if the schools only allowed foreign students from certain countries?
> The abuse of both systems has harmed Americans—and to some extent the long-term health of the tech industry and the academy
Can you please explain how it has harmed Americans and tech industry and the “academy”
Every country with benefits for old people dreams of being able to import high value workers who can provide those benefits.
They already lost their innovation edge with TikTok but they were able to steal it back with brute force. They must be counting on doing that again.
A simple house in the South Bay is $2 million or more. Is this a win for humanity?
It’s one of the most desirable places to live in the world, why wouldn’t it be one of the most expensive?
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We all know the actual solution is to build housing, right?
I mean, yes, the benefits (and sometimes harms) of those companies to humanity reach multiple orders of magnitude more people than the microcosm of the Bay Area housing crisis.
Is your complaint that you cannot afford to live in a place where intelligent, well educated people are getting payed insane amount of money?
And are you implying that the solution is to stop those highly desirable people from coming in because that will help you afford a place in South Bay?
In other words since you cannot compete with them, outlaw them?
What's the relationship between this comment and the topic of discussion?
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This is a non-sequitur. Making immigration impossible or stopping science funding or whatever is not going to change the behavior of a market profiting off of housing.
Could be the biggest own goal in human history.
Fairly certain 1930s Germany ranks higher in this regard by quite a margin.
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It already is.
What problem are you hoping to fix by doing this?
I think for any proposal to change policy that has serious impacts on the economics of the country, we should really be very clear on what problem we see, how we plan to solve it, and what specific trade-offs we're making with our solutions.
> What problem are you hoping to fix by doing this?
He/she is saying the quiet part out loud. It was never about illegal immigration. Illegal immigration is just the start.
The underlying theme is xenophobia, racism and bigotry.
Even calling it “illegal immigration” lends fuel to the fire. There’s a very distinct difference between crossing the border illegally and violating the terms of a legally acquired visa or stamp. The latter is a civil matter which is why people weren’t historically rounded up and detained under threat of violence or murder. So yeah this whole thing is strictly about xenophobia being used to whip up the in group about an out group so we don’t look too closely at EG Venezuela or the sales process for presidential pardons.
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lets be fair, there is also a heavy whiff of anti-intellectualism in the air
The account was created 2 hours ago. Everything is dead internet theory.
Indeed -- it's just bots talking to bots.