{"id":46792443,"user":"8note","time":1769588004,"time_ago":"12 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

which part of the immigration code lets ice agents kill citizens?","comments":[{"id":46792460,"user":"zahlman","time":1769588141,"time_ago":"12 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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You can't invoke self-defence against someone filming with an iPhone.

Don't be ridiculous. This whole line of argumentation is embarrassing.","comments":[{"id":46793462,"user":"zahlman","time":1769595770,"time_ago":"12 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

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Does murdering someone who is driving away from you prevent immediate harm to you? Uncontrolled moving vehicles with bricks on the accelerator are very dangerous.

Self–defence is extremely limited in scope. Basically, if someone is about to stab you, you can do anything necessary to prevent that stabbing. Self–defence doesn't include that after someone fails to stab you and runs away, you can shoot them while they are running away. It doesn't include revenge. If you shoot someone who fails to stab you and runs away, it is murder like any other shooting. Self–defence doesn't include shooting someone who invades your house and isn't currently trying to hurt you, that is castle doctrine.","comments":[{"id":46800046,"user":"zahlman","time":1769627032,"time_ago":"12 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

You assume the consequent with your language; a dead person is not necessarily a "brick on the accelerator"; and human reaction time is a thing. Officers are expected to make decisions in the moment that are reasonable given the totality of circumstances up to that point, without the benefit of hindsight. The decision to shoot was clearly made before the SUV could at all be said to be "getting away"; if you're a trained LEO (or even just someone with a firearm and specific self-defense training) you are going to fire multiple shots.

Regardless of Good's intent (which is irrelevant to the self-defense case), at the moment the vehicle was put into drive, it was clearly pointed straight at the officer (after straightening out from the first point of the two-point turn) and only began turning later. And she was being counseled to "drive, baby, drive", which does not exactly suggest being careful. The fact that this posed a serious threat meeting the standard for self-defense is pretty easy to argue, especially given that he actually was struck by the vehicle.

The left front wheel of the SUV can be seen (in the video from behind) to spin in place for a moment on an icy road; it's unclear exactly what the officer perceived in that moment, but it could very easily be argued that the officer reasonably believed he could prevent the car from moving forward by shooting, and by the time it was moving forward it was too late. Again, human reaction time is a thing.","comments":[{"id":46801287,"user":"direwolf20","time":1769633334,"time_ago":"12 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Cars move forward and backward. They do not move sideways. A car is not about to move sideways and crush you. If you kill a driver of a car to the side to prevent her from driving sideways into you, the technical legal term for you is an idiot, and you are guilty of murder.","comments":[{"id":46801474,"user":"zahlman","time":1769634242,"time_ago":"12 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

Cars turn. No part of my argument relies on cars being able to move sideways. Ross was clearly in front of the vehicle as it began to move forward. Ross was demonstrably struck by the vehicle, with multiple pieces of corroborating evidence.","comments":[{"id":46805419,"user":"direwolf20","time":1769657212,"time_ago":"11 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

If he was in front, how did he shoot perpendicularly through the side window, genius?","comments":[{"id":46805892,"user":"zahlman","time":1769661904,"time_ago":"11 days ago","type":"comment","content":"

By virtue of the car continuing to turn during continuous burst fire. Human reaction time is a thing; officers (as well as responsible gun owners with self-defense training) are taught to fire multiple shots when shooting in self defense (and it actually weakens their legal argument if they don't).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlmMMmrO2oo explains in detail.","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":8,"url":"item?id=46805892"}],"comments_count":1,"level":7,"url":"item?id=46805419"}],"comments_count":2,"level":6,"url":"item?id=46801474"}],"comments_count":3,"level":5,"url":"item?id=46801287"}],"comments_count":4,"level":4,"url":"item?id=46800046"}],"comments_count":5,"level":3,"url":"item?id=46794071"}],"comments_count":6,"level":2,"url":"item?id=46793462"}],"comments_count":7,"level":1,"url":"item?id=46793217"}],"comments_count":8,"level":0,"url":"item?id=46792460"}],"comments_count":9,"url":"item?id=46792443"}

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