Comment by kreetx

7 hours ago

I'm sure it will be known soon-ish where the first shot came from. It's just that the first one likely caused the rest of it as the surrounding officers didn't know who was shooting.

Say it turned out that the first shot was fired due to an officer misinterpreting something for a gun, because "gun" was yelled, would that turn this into anything else than an accident?

The best way to appear not to have a gun, nor appear dangerous at all, is not bring a gun to a protest.

Again, why did you claim that Alex' gun went off as if that was a fact?

> It's just that the first one likely caused the rest of it as the surrounding officers didn't know who was shooting.

No need to speculate. If you watch https://youtu.be/i8kFcK-X-vQ?t=108 you will see that the first agent shoots Alex in the back one time and another three times while they all move away. Note that Alex has been restrained the whole time. One second later, you hear 6 more shots. This is where the second agent got involved. At this point, Alex has already been lying on the ground.

> because "gun" was yelled, would that turn this into anything else than an accident?

At best this was an accident, but even then it was the agents fault for misinterpreting the situation or the DHS's fault for deploying badly trained agents. (Hearing the words "Gun!" does not give officers the permit to shoot, unless they perceive an imminent threat to their or someone else's life!) However, if you watch the video above, you can see that an agent removes Alex' gun right in front of the agent who fires the first shots. There are lots of open questions.

> The best way to appear not to have a gun, nor appear dangerous at all, is not bring a gun to a protest.

The act of conceiled carrying alone does not make you a threat. Alex never behaved in a threatening way.

Instead of putting the blame solely on Alex, maybe ask yourself what the agents could have done to deescalate the situation, what kind of people the DHS recruits as ICE agents and if their training is appropriate for urban policing.