Comment by cosmicgadget

21 hours ago

Toyota sells a lot of Camrys and Corollas. It is nice that they also make (made?) Supras and 86s.

Also we can have a conversation without tossing the "everyone hates Tesla!" poison down the well immediately.

The difference there is that Supra's and 86's are performance cars, whereas Camry's and Corollas arent. You can't compare a Hatchback to an 86.

The Model S is comparable performance to the Model 3 performance.

My point is that the latest models 3 & Y are more affordable alternatives to the S & X and more widely available globally.

  • Okay that's my ignorance of Tesla models then, I assumed the more expensive models were also faster.

    I guess then it's more like Toyota EOLing Lexus or GM getting rid of Cadillac.

    I understand the point that the cheaper models are higher volume. Historically that had not precluded the creation of sports and luxury models for most manufacturers. Are the legacy brands wrong to do this? Currently I doubt their business acumen far less than Elon's.

    • The model 3 performance model does 0-100 in 3.1 seconds, the model S does that in 2.1, it is therefore faster by a second but 3.1 will beat most cars off the line quite comfortably. The Supra for context does that in 4.1 seconds.

      Nothing wrong with keeping a sport and luxury model, however I would argue that the latest models are quite sporty and luxurious in their own right.

      Companies like Ford constantly discontinue models, but they don't get the level of attention Tesla does.

      If Tesla aren't seeing the Model S and X being sold to anywhere near the degree of the 3 and the Y, then why continue making them? They aren't as globally available and its clear people don't want them as much as the others.

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    • The S is faster than any other Tesla. Non-plaid S and X are much faster than non P 3 and Y.

      Your main point is highly valid. Why does any manufacturer bother to make anything better than a Camry?

      Because it makes money, of course.

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