Comment by StopDisinfo910
22 days ago
> And obviously I’m not denying that Mediatek and Qualcomm have massively improved their designs, but they aren’t on par when we account all the things that matter.
Hardly, you are intentionally looking at peak consumption because it suits the answer you want after being proved wrong. This is nicely highlighted by how you want to casually dismiss benchmarks which don't support your point.
> Your argument is that, since manufacturers are putting larger batteries in phones, SoC power consumption shouldn’t matter. That is moving the goalpost, because you introduce a variable that should be irrelevant to SoC performance testing to dismiss my observation.
No, that is looking at the actual experience of using the phone. Peak consumption is a useless metric. Nobody cares. People care about their phone feeling smooth and how often they have to charge. From this point of view, Apple has no lead whatsoever provided by their SoC while they used to which is the point I have been making from the start.
I'll just copy & paste this bit:
> The whole claim that Qualcomm is on par with Apple predicates upon results from benchmarking tools, which stress CPU and GPU and thus induce peak power consumption.
If you are saying that Qualcomm and Mediatek are on par with Apple because they perform the same in Geekbench, then we have to talk about peak power consumption and TDP. But regardless, even if we were to look at average power consumption over time, Elite Gen 5 still tops the A19 Pro by more than *20%*.
> No, that is looking at the actual experience of using the phone. Peak consumption is a useless metric. Nobody cares. People care about their phone feeling smooth and how often they have to charge. From this point of view, Apple has no lead whatsoever provided by their SoC while they used to which is the point I have been making from the start.
Speaking of moving goalposts...
This whole paragraph makes no sense. First you said that Qualcomm is on par with Apple based off benchmarks. Now, if peak consumption doesn't matter, therefore benchmarks don't either, so we have to compare the "experience" of using a phone? How do you quantify that? Which phone would you compare an iPhone with? Does every single phone with an Elite Gen 5 perform exactly the same? Do we choose the Poco F8 Ultra, which seems to throttle and stutter quite frequently, or the OnePlus 15, which reaches external temperatures of 50C?
Anyway, pick a lane, or at least make a good point, because this ain't one.
Unrelated, but this whole thing reminds me of how, back in the day, some manufacturers would put a desktop CPU and GPU inside a laptop as thick as a brick, fed the 10Kg monstrosity with a 400W power adapter, and call it "the fastest laptop ever", which could be technically true, but was very, very wrong.