Comment by keiferski
8 hours ago
Very cool. I made the top 1,000 too.
It would be interesting to see karma-per-word, as well, as a kind of succinctness density factor. Although karma points are not equivalent to quality, and you’d need to also factor in average comment length and some other things.
To use myself:
31,273 karma / 351,012 words ≈ 0.0891 karma per word
Karma per word would be a terrible metric though: the short, slightly divisive clever quip tends to still net a few points positive as long as it's not all too negative, despite clearly not being great hn content. Great content isn't short, but the vote button is or of sight once you're done reading. Good long texts will certainly still get some upvotes, but rarely enough to outcompete small & clever that just goes with the flow.
You also get karma for submissions, so that metric will be highly skewed.
The submission karma is public, so you should be able to subtract it, but that karma doesn’t seem to be the same as the one for comments (i.e. I think one point in a comment gives you one point overall, but on submissions you need two or three points to earn one in your account).
Yeah, I started to think out what you'd need to actually get a "succinct but high-quality" score and it gets complex, fast. Karma will be bloated by popular hot takes and submissions, for starters. Then you have to determine the certain cut-offs to ensure that someone with 10 comments of 10 words each (with 100+ karma each) isn't "the most succinct."
I'm less interested in the idea as a ranking, and more as a way to evaluate my own writing, with the aim of being as succinct but high quality as possible.
> with the aim of being as succinct but high quality as possible
You're assuming "high karma = high quality" which, isn't always correct :) I've had wildly incorrect claims be upvoted a lot, and correct ones downvoted, seems to be more about what the subject is about and what "side you're coming from" rather than anything else sometimes. Other times it goes exactly as expected.
End effect is, I wouldn't rely on karma as a signal for quality, just "agreement at large" or something.
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I always wondered about metrics to measure things like: does the commenter generate positive discussion, flame wars, or plain old dead threads?
#33 here. I have written .. a lot of words. I don't know whether they're correctly excluding ">" quoted words though.
A quirky feature of HN is that you can only see detailed karma counts for your own posts. One of these days I plan to scrape all of mine so I can sort by karma and do some meta-commentary.
I tried to do exactly this, but you need to hit the actual HTML news.ycombinator.com site, since karma is not visible through the API or in any of the public data dumps. And HN appears to have rather robust anti-scraping provisions. Even after trying a few different back-off strategies, my scraper was rate limited quickly, so I gave up.
Karma depends entirely on when you comment: My most upvoted comments are the early ones. I check HN perhaps once a day, so my comments don't always get a lot of visibility. Perhaps it's better that way.
I mean, no, karma depends entirely on the contents of your comment :P I've have comments go from 0 to -4 to 50 to 10 over the course of one day, probably I'd say the flunctionations depends more on how controversial ("hot take") your comment is, but if it's generally good, it tends to be upvoted while more emotional/nonsense appeals tend to be downvoted. Pretty much as expected :)
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> One of these days I plan to scrape all of mine so I can sort by karma and do some meta-commentary
Seems simple enough, while searching I came across this snippet you can paste in the console, and gives you a sorted list of most upvoted/downvoted comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36107028
Sadly requires hitting news.ycombinator.com rather than the API, but only way to get the actual points as you mention.
+1 and also add a feature for unique words to show how you vocab ranks
> unique words to show how you vocab ranks
I think writing well with plain language would be a better indicator of worthwhile contributions than estoeric jargon that only serves to confuse or intimate. That would be a lot more difficult to measure though, the number of fancy words per post probably is a lot easier to vibe code.
Yes I agree with this 100%
One of the things in future I wish to personally learn is how to write concisely. My posts are large and scattered.
To me, the beauty was in the depth/content in Hackernews. I still remember the day when HN clicked to me when I was in metro. A comment clicked with me and really changed my perspective on something. It was fairly long from what I can tell (I am sorry but I am a little hazy other than I was going/returning to school and I was using hackernews)
HN comments are great the way they are. Let's keep it that way.
> That would be a lot more difficult to measure though, the number of fancy words per post probably is a lot easier to vibe code.
Agreed, I use it for prototyping but I am still learning. I hope to not vibe code as I progress and go to college for example. Currently I was constrained because I was (sad?) from my last exam not going so well & the next one being in 8 days ish.
Wish me luck :)
The only reason I vibe code is either for prototyping (for time constraints) and I just wanted to share it to the world.
I have actually written a lot about it. I hope you can read it if you have time [all comments are and will always be written by me] :)
Have a nice day! I am just happy that it can be on front page :]
intimidate
;)
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Please don't start subtracting for em-dashes though. ;-)
It will be skewed due to all the jargon, slang and grammar errors.
But if it is equally skewed for everyone, does it really matter?
Interesting. I'm at 18,176/392,187 ≈ 46 millikarma per word. I did not expect any of those numbers to be so high.
But at almost 90, I have to ask: do you have a blog I should follow?
Reminding me of the classic take on brevity [1]:
A prominent example of a laconism involving Philip II of Macedon was reported by the historian Plutarch. After invading southern Greece and receiving the submission of other key city-states, Philip turned his attention to Sparta and asked menacingly whether he should come as friend or foe. The reply was "Neither."
Losing patience, he sent the message:
If I invade Laconia, I shall turn you out.[4] The Spartan ephors again replied with a single word:
If.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconic_phrase?utm_source=chat...
I’m at 19186/233259, about 0.082, and I’m pretty sure most of my higher upvoted comments are on the shorter side, and my wall of texts tend to not deviate much from 1 karma, sometimes even negative. Don’t put too much stock into fake internet points.
And I really need to waste less time here, didn’t expect to be top 1500…
Thanks, no I have written various substacks and little blogs over the years, but I really ought to just make a personal blog and put them all there. +1 for the reminder.
Author here. That's actually why I had written this for myself (although compared to you, my karma's comparatively low)
I felt as if I had written quite a lot on HN and I was always referencing my past comments. I just usually write what I am thinking so I do have quite a filler words in my HN comments, but still, I wanted to see how many words have I written in the first place & I wrote this thought in another comment & thought that its pretty interesting, let's do it. Maybe others would be curious too :)
But essentially, some part of me wanted to write blog too to quickly reference it and be part of the indie-web.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46828331
This is something that I wrote in that comment
"I guess I can write it but I already write like this in HN. The procastination of writing specifically in a blog is something which hits me.
Is it just me or is it someone else too? Because on HN I can literally write like novels (or I may have genuinely written enough characters of a novel here, I might have to test it or something lol, got a cool idea right now to measure how many novels a person has written from just their username, time to code it)"
So you aren't alone in having the procastination around making a personal blog. This is literally why I had made this idea so if this project (or discussion) helps you in making a personal blog & helps atleast a single person (meaningfully). I would consider my project to be success :)
Have a nice day and good luck for your personal blog!
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It would not make much sense to compute it, if you do not subtract the karma earned through submissions.
Showoff. (I'm at 0.06).
1500s with 221k, so there's a real long tail
Or 89 milikarma/word. That is pretty good. I only got 34 milikarma/word.
83 milikarma/word. That's interesting, though I'm not sure what to do with it.