Comment by Eddy_Viscosity2

14 hours ago

Even Cartels know that shooting down civilian aircraft in US airspace would be an escalation that would lead to heavy retaliation. Doesn't seem likely to me.

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reactordev  14 hours ago

Coming from groups that just pickup busses of people to murder, I wouldn’t be so sure that firing back at the US would be out of the question.

  • nessbot  14 hours ago

    Murdering buses of people doesn't bring the full force of the US military on them. The difference is the risk not the depravity.

    • p-e-w  14 hours ago

      This is the answer. The cartels would have to be insane to poke that particular bear. They would get crushed like a bug. IIRC they murdered a single US undercover officer in the 90s and the retaliation was so bad that they themselves handed over the perpetrators.

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  • infecto  14 hours ago

    The distinction is those are cases where they are murdering Mexican citizens. If a cartel murdered a bus of people in America I suspect most any administration would retaliate in some form.

    • reactordev  14 hours ago

      Dude, Americans are getting kidnapped and murdered in Mexico all the time. The cartels don’t care your nationality.

      If the administration strikes cartels first, they may find it egregious enough to do what they refused to do in the past…

      I don’t rule out any options when it comes to murderous organizations.

      *EDIT* This isn’t me saying don’t go to Mexico or that Mexico is unsafe either. Out of the tourists that visit from America, 0.001% see violence or are kidnapped or anything negative. If anything it would be petty theft near cruise ports and resort towns that would be the biggest culprit of crime for Americans.

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  • xtracto  13 hours ago

    This is different.

    See, Drug cartels over here operate with the blessing and favor of our president. They are tightly connected.

    If a cartel dared to ground a US flight. The US government would have a "free pass" to break all hell loose in Mexico, and Sheinbaum wouldn't have a way to stop it.

    She doesn't want that in any way, so the message to the cartel bosses would be to be very careful in that respect.

    Sure, there have been US citizens killed within Mexico here and there, but those can easily be attributed to local violence. And as retribution, Mexican government sends a couple of wanted criminals to the US.

    • ekidd  13 hours ago

      Yeah, if a cartel actually used anti-aircraft weapons on a US passenger plane in US airspace? It wouldn't even matter if MAGA or the Democrats were in charge. The US would collectively lose its shit and spend the next 10 years and several trillion dollars retaliating against the cartels. The media would be ecstatic, because it would give them a decade of story arcs, starting with "our brave troops in uniform" all the way through to covering the eventual quagmire and anti-war protests. By year 6-8, editorial columnists would be writing columns reconsidering their initial support for the war.

      Please, let's not do this.

jmatthiass  14 hours ago

Good point. I guess it depends on the force, size, and especially effectiveness of any potential strikes. (i.e. How cornered a cartel might feel and how much flexing an outsized response might stand to gain them.)

bpodgursky  12 hours ago

Yes that might be the high-level logic, but if you give a MANPAD to a 19 year old sicario on meth, accidents do happen.

mothballed  14 hours ago

Unless the government is planning an attack on the cartel[s] that is so existential that such action wouldn't be considered an escalation but rather a tic for tat.

A trapped animal will generally use all its facilities regardless of its expected effectiveness.