Comment by GoblinSlayer

4 days ago

That's why diversity of sources is the only way to escape censorship: you get one half truth from one source, another half truth from another source, then two halves make whole truth.

That's also trivial to manipulate; control the narrative, and you control the Overton window. People picking the middle of two fake options are still under the influence of whoever chose those options — just ask any stage magician.

  • Narrative is controlled by censorship.

    • And/or propaganda.

      Everyone can feel censorship, everyone can learn what they're punished for saying.

      Propaganda, though, that can feel like learning, like personal growth and development.

      If censorship comes with a stick, propaganda is a carrot.

      And today, we have as much of a problem with metaphorical obesity as with literal obesity.

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This assumes you have the cognitive resources to do that. Most people just switch to someone they trust to avoid exactly this. Matter of fact, that was the major advantage of the net back in the day.

  • I think people have to deal with pluralism of opinions in everyday life too, since different people have different opinions. Aren't they socially maladapted if they can't do that?

> That's why diversity of sources is the only way to escape censorship:

No, it's a page out of the old fascist playbook where flooding the stage with propaganda generates enough confusion to help fascists further their hateful agenda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

  • Fascism means diversity of opinions, democracy means everyone is only allowed to have the opinions you want them to have?

    • Democracy is having the laws Americans approve of, because God wrote their Constitution.

    • Fascists in the original sense, Mussolini, didn't tolerate opposition.

      I'm not sure about modern fascists, but US politics does look rather Kayfabe-y to me. Fake opposition, there for the purpose of being an opponent.

      Of course then you get all the discourse about what even counts as fascism, and someone brings up that the origin of the word is the Roman "fasces" (bundle of sticks) and how that etymological root points to the concept of "strength through unity" which is also why the Lincoln memorial has Lincoln resting his hands on them[0] and why trade unions often use the "strength through unity" phrasing (and get annoyed/upset by the connection).

      [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lincoln_Memorial_statue_a...

  • I find it hilarious when people who are pro censorship bring up Karl Popper and the Paradox of Tolerance.

    You can tell they've never read his work because his conclusion in the end is that you should tolerate intolerance up and until it promotes specific violence.

    So total freedom of speech up and until it starts inciting violence. It's basically the same stance the US Constitution has.