Comment by bdangubic
1 day ago
we sure dodged a bullet in 2024 elections and elected the right people to stop all these senseless wars that were one of the cornerstones of the election campaign
1 day ago
we sure dodged a bullet in 2024 elections and elected the right people to stop all these senseless wars that were one of the cornerstones of the election campaign
It's baffling to me that the DNC decided it was more important to support Israel than win the election and do good things at home.
How can you look at the current support for Trump and conclude you would've won in the US by not supporting Israel?
Because polls before and after the election were crystal clear on this point.
Over 30% of Biden 2020 voters said arming genocide was going to affect their vote.
That's BIDEN VOTERS.
80% of Democrats wanted an arms embargo.
Arming Israel meant giving up millions of votes in swing states, in an election that was lost by extremely slim margins in those states.
And before you ask, it was also clear from polling that ending support to Israel would have cost nearly zero votes from her base.
And the reason the Harris campaign didn't know this is because they didn't want to know. Campaign staffers were instructed to mark anyone who raised Gaza as "no response". Attendees of the DNC conventions were literally plugging their ears and shielding their eyes from protests, or even laughing about them.
Trump won by less than 50% of the vote and there are many polls that show the Biden administration's genocide was massively demotivating to democratic voters.
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Harris had all sorts of good things planned at home. It’s baffling to me that some voters thought it was more important to lose the election.
Voters don't lose elections, campaigns do. Harris failed, and this kind of "turning around of the blame" thing that Dems try to do is one of the reasons why they don't win elections: they never learn.
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Attacking Iran is bipartisan consensus unfortunately.
Schumer, for example, is an avowed Zionist and would love to attack Iran. Case in point: His leadership worked to delay Massey and Khanna's war powers resolution until after this attack so they could say "Well, I guess we're too late. Darn."
They absolutely do matter. Though not on this issue. Permanent war in the Middle East is a bipartisan issue.
They absolutely matter. Except on pretty much every foreign policy issue. And also universal healthcare. Oh and also the minimum wage, which has remained the same throughout several supermajorities belonging to both parties since the 70s when it was last updated. Oh also if you think corporations and their leaders should be held accountable for gambling with investor money and destabilizing the economy, or are angainst corporate welfare, unfortunately there’s no one you can vote for. Oh and also if you’re against congresspeople investing while being party to insider information, and with the ability to potentially sway regulatory votes in any given company’s favor, or dole out corporate welfare, unfortunately the leadership of both major parties participate fairly blatantly in that. Oh also, if you think the federal government should demonstrate a modicum of fiscal responsibility and not leave future generations in unrecoverable debt? Unfortunately no options for you. Also, if you would prefer your president not be friendly with a convicted pedophile, unfortunately that’s not gonna happen, we’ve gotta have at least some pedo-friendly people in office on both sides.
Iran is not the middle east. In the actual middle east, there has been permanent war for >1500 years. And during all that time the middle east has started wars from Zimbabwe to Norway to Hong Kong.
On might think muslims would have learned something after the defeat of islam (as in the last coherent country/state structure) in 1919-1923 at the hands of muslims. Of course, islam as in the state, started a Naval war with the US, to defend the great institution of slavery ... and when they failed ... they started a second one.
And let's just not discuss whether some muslims (such as IS, but certainly not limited to them) are still trying to bring back slavery. Because we all know the answer.
The ICE killings, deportations of US citizens, and the general anti-US sentiments around the world show that lesser evil exists, and that not voting can have consequences.
It's a shame that it took all this for the Democrats to even begin the dialog about Israeli money in politics, and perhaps they may even realize that nobody wants to vote for pro-war neoliberals.
The Dem establishment, informed by consultants, loves to go after "gettable" Republicans. Their theory is "Any 'rational' left-leaning voter will have no choice but to vote Dem!" But what they never seem to consider is that moving to the right can indeed disgust some portion of the base who instead will refuse to turn out.
"Lesser evil exists?" What if the "lesser evil" is just the good cop in a barely concealed good cop/bad cop routine?
It's not a bold statements that many senior democrats are thrilled that Trump is attacking Iran. This time, he's doing something they would have liked to but couldn't get away with.
Yes, voting matters, but organizing matters more. Until there's people who don't (secretly or openly) cheer for policies driving the world towards a cliff, voting matters little.
And on no account should you listen to the paid political operatives suggesting that the Democratic party's previous last minute offer would have gone significantly better.
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All of the Democrats stood up and clapped when Trump talked about war with Iran. Did you miss that?
Two sides of the same coin: Republicans bomb 3rd world countries, and the Democrats gain slave labor from 3rd world countries refugees.
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they do when you hear for months that we need to elect people that will stop the senseless wars - then they do matter
Who do you vote for exactly?
The government is compromised by Israeli blackmail. You vote against Israel you end up dead (JFK, Charlie Kirk) or blackmailed.