Comment by moxifly7

21 hours ago

Israel being an ethnic supremacist state for more than the last 20 years [0], on a determined mission to ethnically cleanse the indigenous population from their ancestral land [1], this comment unintentionally makes Iran sound like the good guys in this story. (I do not support any form of theocracy).

[0] https://www.btselem.org/topic/apartheid [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Palestinians

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yhavr  19 hours ago

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  • moxifly7  19 hours ago

    >Like after creation of Israel

    So we agree that the first move in this conflict was a 20th century European nationalist group setting up a new state by force in the middle of an inhabited nation? With the blessing of the colonial power in charge.

    Doesn't defend what happened to Jewish people in Egypt and Lebanon, but certainly puts some context around it.

    As for the depopulation of Jews from Yemen and Iraq, that was Israeli policy and they managed it by themselves.

idop  20 hours ago

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  • tdeck  18 hours ago

    Despite this varied ethnic makeup Israel's basic law says that

    > The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people.

    Which is why there are plenty of racist laws like this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaization_of_the_Galilee

    • idop  17 hours ago

      Yes, Israel was founded specifically to be a safe haven for Jews after 2/3 of them were murdered in Europe, and it passed this (somewhat ridiculous) law in 2018 because it knows full well that once Jews cease to be the majority in Israel, they'll cease to be, period.

      You can view it as racist, you can hate it, you can want to see Israel destroyed in favor of yet another 100% Arab country, it really doesn't matter, because the fact is you're all hypocrites who only have the safety that you have because of genocides, brutal wars, land capture, regime toppling and forced conversions. That's the only thing we learned from the rest of the enlightened world. Kill, destroy, erase, force convert, and somehow be deemed a beacon of freedom and democracy.

      In real life, Israel is more ethnically and religiously varied than all its surrounding countries, and non-Jews in Israel have rights that even I, as a Jew, don't have (such as freedom of religion). Jews are a minority in the Galilee, and there's no law for the Judaization of the Galilee.

  • moxifly7  20 hours ago

    Cultural Arabs and Ethnic Arabs are not the same thing.

    Ethnic Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula. Islam's expansion started a slow process of Arabization whereby indigenous people in lands that ended up under the control of the Muslim caliphate/empire started speaking Arabic (mixed with their local dialects) and adopting aspects of Arabic culture, not dissimilar to the previous process of Romanization and Hellenization from the Greeks and Romans.

    TL;DR People who today call themselves Palestinians are biological descendants of ancient Jews and other peoples local to the region of Palestine who eventually converted to Christianity and/or Islam, some remained Jewish, started speaking Arabic, and never left the land.

    That's what genetic studies and history converge on, and what the early zionist leaders including Ben-Gurion also happened to believe in (Ben-Gurion wrote a thesis on this subject), until it became inconvenient for Zionism to continue to do so.

    • idop  19 hours ago

      Lebanon: 95% Arab

      Syria: 90% Arab

      Jordan: 95% Arab

      Soudi-Arabia: 90% Arab

      Egypt: 99.7% Egyptian

      I love how you turned the elimination of hundreds of religions and ethnic groups into some beautiful cultural influence.

      But go ahead, tell me how Israel is an ethnic supremacist state and how the Palestinians are the REAL Jews.

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