Comment by AlexVranas
1 day ago
OpenAI is playing games.
When Anthropic says they have red lines, they mean "We refuse to let you use our models for these ends, even if it means losing nearly a billion dollars in business."
When OpenAI says they have red lines, they mean "We are going to let the DoD do whatever the hell they want, but we will shake our fist at them while they do it."
That's why they got the contract. The DoD was clear about what they wanted, and OpenAI wasn't going to get anywhere without agreeing to that. They're about as transparent as Mac from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia when he's telling everyone he's playing both sides.
"Red lines" does not mean some philosophical line they will not cross.
"Redlines" are edits to a contract, sent by lawyers to the other party they're negotiating with. They show up in Word's Track Changes mode as red strikethrough for deleted content.
They are negotiating the specifics of a contract, and Anthropic's contract was overly limiting to the DoD, whereas OpenAI's was not.
That’s not how the term is being used here.
In this case “red lines” as a term is being used as “lines than can not be crossed”
Anthropic wanted guardrails on how their tech was used. DOD was saying that wasn’t acceptable.
I am going to stop using ChatGPT immediately.
Delete your account. I did. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1rh30rw/great_day_t...
I just deleted my account. The other LLMs are so good that I don't even feel like I'm sacrificing much.
Deleting my account today once I import my data to Claude
I'm also waiting on my ChatGPT data export. I started it last night and I'm still waiting. I would say there's huge opportunity here for Claude to offer direct import tooling.
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Good. More of this. I did.
No no no use it more, make sure to use up as much tokens as possible. They do inference at a loss
This makes no sense, their value in the marketplace is in usage and inflated promise, not actual revenues
> They do inference at a loss
They don't, inference is cheap, especially for agents because of cache hits. The API prices are just inflated.
Ive got a 'Claw interfacing with OpenAI and generating garbage questions and responses. I have an 8k context on mine.
Deletion with OpenAI isnt really deletion. So I'll waste their resources AND train on low quality slop on my side.
My work degrades theirs.
> but we will shake our fist at them while they do it
Not even that. They are not shaking anything except their booty.
Personally I think OpenAI is intending to infiltrate their political enemy's stronghold and look for ways to leak data to "get Trump" as per usual.
They'll say "oops" and then we'll spend the next few years listening to pointless Congressional hearings.
Why DoD and not DoW?
Only Congress can change the name of a federal department, so the Department of Defense is still properly called that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14347
Only Congress can declare war but here we are with the department of war bombing a foreign country and capturing and assassinating foreign leaders.
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That part isn't sited. It is likely not true.
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'Power is the perception of power'
The Department of Defense was established by the National Security Act of 1947. If the Congress wanted to change the name then they would pass another law to do so.
An executive order is not law.
Even though the the DoD was created via an act of Congress, as POTUS is the head of the Executive Branch and the CiC of the armed forces, could you make an argument that a name change can be done by executive order? (setting aside whether or not the new proposed name is stupid)
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because most americans do not want war, at least id hope, so calling it that seems pretty short sited (maybe until you continually do that 'war' thing), if you want the citizens to look positively on your spending it should probably be for defense not war, again, at least i should hope. im just a dumb "lib" whatever that means
On the other hand calling it "Department of Defense" seems quite whitewashing of what it actually does.
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Gulf of Mexico.
>Why DoD and not DoW?
Reddit/Bluesky brigade is in full force here, that's why
DOW was already taken, and that is the one to watch when it all comes crashing down?
Perhaps because the latter sounds hilariously childish?
Actually that was the original name. And it was a more honest name.
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law of triviality on full display
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Stoping and questioning why somebody uses DoD or DoW is way more telling than using any of those. Especially that both are perfectly fine, even officially.
A square was renamed in my home city about 20 years ago. We still use the original one usually, even teens know that name. I use a form of the original name of our main stadium which was renamed almost 30 years ago. Heck, some people use names of streets which are not official for almost 40 years now. Btw, the same with departments of the government. Nobody follows how they called at the moment, because nobody really cares. That’s the strange when somebody cares.
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By using the actual legal and official name of the department (which Trump didn’t and couldn’t change)?
Because using DoW is woke when the legal name is DoD.
Pretty ironic given their anti-woke agenda
Isn't it simpler to say that anthropic adopted a values based use approach and openai adopted a legal one?
Or In other words you can get to decide two ways to use a lucrative property:
1. designate it private and draft usage of how you allow to use it, per your value system(as long as values don't violate any laws)
2. In face of competition, give up some values and agree to a legal definition of use that favors you.
What does 'a legal approach' mean where there is no rule of law? USA just bombed another country without having a domestic legal basis for that. Can't imagined they're holding back on AI use that is illegal -- even textbook-clear warcrimes (like blowing up shipwrecked people) does not give Hegseth and Trump pause.
That goes for domestic actions too, happy to arm a paramilitary and set them loose against citizens who are not politically aligned with Trump... the Republican Senate barely even blinks. Hard to imagine they'd care about AI use in mass surveillance, nor AI use in automated anti-personnel weapons. The Senate will be, 'Oh no they unlawfully killed USA citizens, again... Welp, let me check my insider trading gains... yh, seems fine'.