Comment by dotancohen
8 hours ago
That's why they've been hitting residential buildings and hotels as well? They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army?
All these attempts to justify Iranian terror demonstrate just how deep Qatari influence online has been. And even Qatar is being attacked by Iran now.
Is Hezbollah hiding in the elementary school that got bombed? Perhaps that’s where the Iranian nuclear research was done?
We attacked them. Full stop. And as far as I can tell we haven’t given them any conditions for when we will stop bombing them. In what moral framework do you have to just accept another sovereign, a vastly more powerful one, invading your country without fighting back?
I can't guess what the USA wants other than a distraction from the raping-of- children saga, but I bet Israel would settle for "we acknowledge your right to exist and won't fund or encourage organisations that plan to harm you."
If Saudi Arabia can get there…
The world has seen what Israel does when they’re attacked. They don’t get to set moral frameworks anymore.
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The primary condition is giving up nuclear ambitions.
It is too late, Israel already has nuclear weapons.
> We attacked them
During negotiations, for the second time.
Negotiations during which the Iranians continuously stalled and continued their nuclear work. The threat of attack was part of the US negotiation strategy, and the Iranians thought they would call the "bluff". They were wrong.
I believe they have warned that any country offering support will be targeted, even before the attacks began.
So they are cowards if they do what they say, and they are cowards if they don't do anything.
What should they do? Evacuate the country and offer the land for free?
> They assume that because their proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah) hide in civilian structures, so does the US army?
> Two US Defense Department employees were wounded when an Iranian drone struck a hotel in Bahrain's capital Manama, The Washington Post reported Monday.
Are you suggesting that two people sleeping in a hotel makes the hotel a valid military target? Because people have been telling Israelis for years that hospitals, mosques, residential apartment buildings, and schools from which rockets are stored and launched are not valid military targets, even when these activities are supported by the building administration and the rocket handlers are clearly visible.
> All these attempts to justify Iranian terror
At the end of the day you have to understand the reality that Iran is a sovereign nation that is going to defend itself. And yes they are hitting residential buildings and hotels with US military personnel present. None of this is terrorism, this is a nation state retaliating after an attack on their nation, you have to understand this basic concept, actions have consequences.
This is not propaganda, you are just willfully ignorant. If you want to destroy Iran you have to take retaliation into account, everything else is just propaganda, what do you expect them to do instead? Just lie down and take it?
You can't use retaliation of the nation you attacked as justification of why the attack was justified, its circular logic, this is textbook propaganda you are repeating.
I genuinetely do not think Hasbara like this works anymore. The overton window on this has irrevocably shifted since 2023 and it would be a better strategy for you to live within this new reality, rather than making ludicrous claims that the middle eastern country most vehemently trying to shape western views on the region is... Qatar. It just comes across as an obvious projection, and only encourages sentiment that has a real potential to become harmful to you personally.
That is, unless posts like thos are designed to encourage that sentiment, which I sometimes suspect.
I read the news in English and Arabic. If you don't think that Qatar is heavily influencing US university, college, and online sentiment, then I highly suggest that you start reading Arabic news. The Qataris talk about both their intentions and their successes in shaping Western, especially American, public opinion.
It's your propaganda that is failing, but that's not because of whatever bullshit you come up with, it's because people have eyes and ears and they can increasingly see what Amisrael really is. It's over for you and this senseless war is your last breath. Free Palestine.
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I think this shifted overtone window has partially to do with why they started this war to begin with, they see the writing on the wall and their window of opportunity is closing. Trump is at historic lows in polling [1]; 65% of democrats now sympathize more with Palestinians over Israelis (17%) [2]. HN is just a generally reactionary place, I wouldn't read to much into that.
[1] https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-sil...
[2] https://news.gallup.com/poll/702440/israelis-no-longer-ahead...
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I mean if you want to put your geopolitical blinkers on, sure...but how to beat America is old news at this point: cause casualties however you can, and wait for the US to give up.
Complain about it all you want but what are you going to do? The US is already bombing them.
Perhaps all of this goes into the big bucket labelled "war is expensive and unpredictable, maybe try diplomacy?"
Which the current administration has made a note of promptly tearing up prior agreements with everyone anyway so...whoops I guess.