Comment by jacquesm

5 months ago

Humans can't claim ownership, but they are still liable for the product of their bot. That's why MS was so quick to indemnify their users, they know full well that it is going to be super hard to prove that there is a key link to some original work.

The main analogy is this one: you take a massive pile of copyrighted works, cut them up into small sections and toss the whole thing in a centrifuge, then, when prompted to produce a work you use a statistical method to pull pieces of those copyrighted works out of the centrifuge. Sometimes you may find that you are pulling pieces out of the laundromat in the order in which they went in, which after a certain number of tokens becomes a copyright violation.

This suggests there are some obvious ways in which AI companies can protect themselves from claims of infringement but as far as I'm aware not a single one has protections in place to ensure that they do not materially reproduce any fraction of the input texts other than that they recognize prompts asking it to do so.

So it won't produce the lyrics of 'Let it be'. But they'll be happy to write you mountains of prose that strongly resembles some of the inputs.

The fact that they are not doing that tells you all you really need to know: they know that everything that their bots spit out is technically derived from copyrighted works. They also have armies of lawyers and technical arguments to claim the opposite.

> Humans can't claim ownership, but they are still liable for the product of their bot.

sure,

but that is completely unrelated to this discussion

which is about AI using code as input to produce similar code as output

not about AI being trained on code

  • > which is about AI using code as input to produce similar code as output

    > not about AI being trained on code

    The two are very directly connected.

    The LLM would not be able to do what it does without being trained, and it was trained on copyrighted works of others. Giving it a piece of code for a rewrite is a clear case of transformation, no matter what, but now it also rests on a mountain of other copyrighted code.

    So now you're doubly in the wrong, you are willfully using AI to violate copyright. AI does not create original works, period.

    • Every programmer is trained on the copyrighted works of others. there a vanishingly few modern programs with available source code in the public domain.

      it isn't clear how/if llm is different from the brain but we all have training by looking at copywrited source code at some time.

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