Comment by dmitrygr

2 months ago

IF you care to read the article, they indeed do not blame the architecture but the available silicon implementations.

I did read it. A Banana Pi is not the fastest developer platform. The title is misleading.

BTW, it's quite impressive how the s390x is so fast per core compared to the others. I mean, of course it's fast - we all knew that.

And don't let IBM legal see this can be considered a published benchmark, because they are very shy about s390x performance numbers.

  • > A Banana Pi is not the fastest developer platform.

    What is the current fastest platform that isn’t exorbitantly expensive? Not upcoming releases, but something I can actually buy.

    I check in every 3-6 months but the situation hasn’t changed significantly yet.

    • A P550 based board is the best you can get for now (~2-3x faster than the Banana Pi). In 2-3 months there should be a number of SpaceMIT k3 chips that are ~4-6x faster than the banana pi and somewhat reasonably priced (~200-300). By the end of the year, however, you should be able to get an ascalon chip which should be way way faster than that (roughly apple m1/zen3 speed)

    • What is the current fastest ppc64le implementation that isn’t exorbitantly expensive? How about the s390x?

  • I was really surprised by the s390x performance, but I also don't really understand why there are build time listed by architecture, not the actual processors.

    • What's fast on Z platforms is typically IO rather than raw CPU - the platform can push a lot of parallell data. This is typically the bottleneck when compiling.

      The cores are in my experience moderately fast at most. Note that there are a lot of licencing options and I think some are speed-capped - but I don't think that applies to IFL - a standard CPU licence-restricted to only run linux.

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  • >I did read it. A Banana Pi is not the fastest developer platform. The title is misleading.

    Ironically, its SoC (spacemiT K1) is slower than the JH7110 used in the first mass-produced RISC-V SBC, VisionFive 2.

    But unlike JH7110, it has vector 1.0, making it a very popular target.

    Of course, none of these pre-RVA23 boards will be relevant anymore, once the first development boards with RVA23-compatible K3 ship next month.

    These are also much faster than anything RISC-V currently purchasable. Developers have been playing with them for months through ssh access.

I keep checking in on Tenstorrent every few months thinking Keller is going to rock our world... losing hope.

At this point the most likely place for truly competitive RISC-V to appear is China.

  • Tenstorrent is supposedly taping out 8-wide Ascalon processors as we speak, with devboards projected to be available in Q2/Q3 this year.

    BTW. Keller is also on the board of AheadComputing — founded by former Intel engineers behind the fabled "Royal Core".

    • I can't know what Ascalon will actually be, but back in April/May 2025 there were actual performance numbers presented by Tenstorrent, and I analyzed what was shown. I concluded that Ascalon would be the x86_64 equivalent of an i5-9600K.

      That's useable for many applications, but it's not going to change the world. A lot of "micro PCs" with low power CPUs are well past that now. If that's what Ascalon turns out to be, it will amount to an SBC class device.

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    • >Ascalon tape out

      Supposedly happened earlier this year. Tenstorrent says devboards in Q3.

      Now we just wait.

  • > At this point the most likely place for fast RISC-V to appear is China.

    Or we just adopt Loongson.

    • TBH I still don't really get how it's different from MIPS. As far as I can tell... Loongson seems to be really just MIPS, while LoongArch is MIPS with some extra instructions.

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    • (purely on vibes) loongson feels to me like an intermediate step/backup strategy rather than a longterm target (though they'll probably power govt equipment for decades of legacy either way :p)

But they didn't reflect that in a title like "current RISC-V silicon Is Sloooow" ...