Comment by rishabhaiover
12 hours ago
These kind of HN submissions test how fair discussions can be here:
> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
12 hours ago
These kind of HN submissions test how fair discussions can be here:
> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
Elon is literally a political figure. How is one supposed to discuss his actions without invoking his politics?
discuss != battle
In the context of what Elon has done, the only real discussion should be condemnation. If that leads to Elon fans feeling embattled, well, they should get better role models to look up to.
> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
That ship has sailed a long time ago, with the approval of the moderation itself.
That's excellent modbait, but of course what you say is the opposite of what we approve.
It's is a complex and hard question, but the principles we apply to it have been around for a long time and are consistent with the site guidelines. If they weren't, we'd change the latter.
I've explained all of this many times. If you, or anyone, would like to know how we approach the question, you could start here:
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
Yup, since around 2016 HN and other tech spaces got infested with people who cannot separate their political ideology from technical discussions.
When it comes to FOSS they claim that FOSS has always been political to justify the politicization of everything they touch.
Things used to be much better when the people adhered to the age-old wisdom "Keep politics and religion out of the office" and carried this attitude to neutral spaces online.
In part, some of us got into tech because it was one of the places where meritocracy ruled and you could get away from those who thrive by overwhelming others with BS.
I apologize for the rant.
Being “apolitical” is a luxury of the privileged, especially in turbulent times.
True tests of courage, morals, and ethics are occurring more and more every day now, especially in the tech industry that is so closely intertwined with the regimes across the world who seek to cause great harm to those who do not look like, speak like, or believe in the same things as them.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" - there’s your quote for political apathy.
So, it utterly fails? A good part of the community still seems to be stuck in 2017 where Elon could do no wrong.
Turns out a lot of not just wrong, but malice could be done in 9 years. And worse yet, incompetent malice. I don't know why that has to be a political statement these days, but thems the brakes here.
Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
And I repeat
> I don't know why [This person done bad actions] has to be a political statement these days, but thems the brakes here.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Is it politics or ideology to recognize the flawed character of someone? How cultish his following is? His erratic behavior, the damage that he's doing?
Some people will cry "politics" just to take the voice away from those who dare to question their beloved celebrities.
Yeah and it’s not our fault every Elon discussion involves politics. It’s literally all he does all day, and all he seems interested in, anymore.
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They trample science, the Paradox of tolerance in action.
Who fights can lose, who doesn't fight has already lost.