Comment by andyjohnson0

5 days ago

"a solid foundation for the future" is faint praise for a language that has been around for over thirty years.

> It has become a best of breed language

To me it lags significantly behind .net (runtime) and C#/F# (language). I don't see Java catching-up.

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gf000  5 days ago

They trade blows, and have different philosophies (complex runtime, simpler language vs the reverse).

E.g. on the GC side Java is ahead of any other platform, especially with the low-latency ZGC garbage collector.

  • adgjlsfhk1  5 days ago

    The counterpoint is that Java has so much SOTA GC work precisely because the language makes writing efficient code that doesn't heavily tax the GC basically impossible.

    • rossjudson  5 days ago

      Tell me you haven't looked at Java in 15 years without telling me.

      Given that the vast majority of non-GC language code does a terrible job of managing memory, it's not difficult at all for the JVM to win out on efficient, reliable systems.

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  • spockz  5 days ago

    I would love to have a Java compiler with the capabilities of the .net compiler. To make incremental builds to aid code completion including type information, looking past simple syntactical errors, fixing them, and continuing compilation.

    Currently, this is “magic” embedded in eclipse, IntelliJ, and maybe a bit in the vscode plugin. Imagine having a Java LSP running that can provide all this information while typing.

    .net has had this for ages. From a language design I think that is wonderful.

    • hocuspocus  5 days ago

      Java LSP backends are basically headless Eclipse and NetBeans, they definitely go beyond syntactical errors.

      There's also the upcoming Metals v2 that's using another compiler frontend optimized for performance, Google Turbine: https://metals-lsp.org

      Actionable diagnostics for Java aren't implemented yet though.

    • pjmlp  5 days ago

      It also slows VS code a lot, is not properly documented, and still relies on concatenating strings together, due to Source Generators interaction with attributes.

pjmlp  5 days ago

On the contrary, as someone that earns their bread using both ecosystems, .NET is still pretty much tied to Windows, regardless of .NET team efforts, most shops going with macOS or Linux are former Microsoft shops saving on server licenses or giving Macs to their devs.

There are many platforms where .NET doesn't have an implementation, a phone to call their own (even if ART isn't proper Java, WP is no longer around), embedded systems, including factory and military weapons deployments (PTC, Aicas, microEJ), copiers (Xerox, Ricoh), phones (Cisco),....

C# is definitly better than Java dealing with value types and low level programing, or being embraced by the game development community, however not sure if the featurities of last years is the right path, I am starting to feel I should just reach directly to C++ instead.

lucketone  5 days ago

Java is 4th on tiobe.

Bright future for it just means it is not planning to become 40th or 400th.

(My prediction - in next ten years java will always be among top 6; new language might come to the very top and some leapfrogging game between c# and java)

  • gf000  5 days ago

    Tiobe once rated Visual Basic ahead of JS. I would rather believe some future reading octopus than that absolutely useless ranking.

    Nonetheless, I agree with your take.