{"id":47476228,"user":"croes","time":1774176874,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

Two wrong don’t make a right.","comments":[{"id":47476390,"user":"Cytobit","time":1774178597,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

True, but not relevant.","comments":[{"id":47476447,"user":"croes","time":1774179270,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

Relevant because Cloudflare manipulated the DNS using a false reasoning","comments":[{"id":47476543,"user":"cuu508","time":1774180133,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

1.1.1.2 blocks malware, and archive.today performs DDOS. Where's the false reasoning?","comments":[{"id":47477119,"user":"croes","time":1774184850,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

It‘s not a C&C/Botnet","comments":[{"id":47477233,"user":"cuu508","time":1774185587,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

It is C&C -- it instructs their site visitors to DOS a specific site.","comments":[{"id":47482578,"user":"zahlman","time":1774216305,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

By this logic, all malicious JavaScript (obvious example is cryptominers I guess, assuming no JS sandbox escape) is C&C, yeah? As it "instructs site visitors" to do something harmful locally?","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":5,"url":"item?id=47482578"},{"id":47477794,"user":"croes","time":1774189222,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

A C&C controls a botnet, where is the botnet?","comments":[{"id":47477882,"user":"cuu508","time":1774189741,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

The browsers of their site visitors.","comments":[{"id":47477930,"user":"croes","time":1774190031,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

If you need to be on the site it’s not a botnet and there is no C&C server coordinating the attack. It‘s just the JS on the site that makes the attack.","comments":[{"id":47479963,"user":"jojomodding","time":1774200929,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

> If you need to be on the site it’s not a botnet

Why? I did not visit the site to participate in a DoS attack; yet my machine was coaxed into participating against my will. Whether this is happening in JS or a drive-by download or a browser 0-day is irrelevant.","comments":[{"id":47480061,"user":"croes","time":1774201448,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

You did participate in archive.today’s DDoS without visiting the site?

How if it‘s JS code in the site?","comments":[],"comments_count":0,"level":9,"url":"item?id=47480061"}],"comments_count":1,"level":8,"url":"item?id=47479963"},{"id":47479405,"user":"Hamuko","time":1774198070,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

Does this mean that the Great Cannon of China is not a botnet because it stops working when you close your browser?","comments":[{"id":47480042,"user":"croes","time":1774201351,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

Does the Great Cannon of China coordinate the attacks?

Does archive.today?

Hijacking a software like the browser is something completely different to a simple JS on a website.","comments":[{"id":47480089,"user":"Hamuko","time":1774201587,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

>Does the Great Cannon of China coordinate the attacks?

Yes.

>Does archive.today?

Yes.","comments":[{"id":47480362,"user":"croes","time":1774202990,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

How does archive.today coordinate the attack?","comments":[{"id":47480868,"user":"fastball","time":1774206091,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

By telling visitor browsers to DoS the site.","comments":[{"id":47481774,"user":"croes","time":1774211150,"time_ago":"6 months ago","type":"comment","content":"

That’s not really coordinating.

It’s just a website with a simple request loop, not C&C server tells when the attacks have to happen.

This doesn’t make your browser a bot

  setInterval(function() {\n            fetch("https://gyrovague.com/?s=" + Math.random().toString(36).substring(2, 3 + Math.random() * 8), {\n                referrerPolicy: "no-referrer",\n                mode: "no-cors"\n            });\n        }, 300);

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