Comment by commandlinefan
24 days ago
> "Batteries included" ecosystems are the only persistent solution
Or write your own stuff. Yes, that's right, I said it. Even HTTP. Even cryptography. Just because somebody else messed it up once doesn't mean nobody should ever do it. Professional quality software _should_ be customized. Professional developers absolutely can and should do this and get it right. When you use a third-party HTTP implementation (for example), you're invariably importing more functionality than you need anyway. If you're just querying a REST service, you don't need MIME encoding, but it's part of the HTTP library anyway because some clients do need it. That library (that imports all of its own libraries) is just unnecessary bloat, and this stuff really isn't that hard to get right.
> When you use a third-party HTTP implementation (for example), you're invariably importing more functionality than you need anyway. If you're just querying a REST service, you don't need MIME encoding, but it's part of the HTTP library anyway because some clients do need it. That library (that imports all of its own libraries) is just unnecessary bloat, and this stuff really isn't that hard to get right.
This post is modded down (I think because of the "roll your own crypto vibe", which I disagree with), but this is actually spot on the money for HTTP.
The surface area for HTTP is quite large, and your little API, which never needed range-requests, basic-auth, multipart form upload, etc suddenly gets owned because of a vulnerability in one of those things you not only never used, you also never knew existed!
"Surface area" is a problem, reducing it is one way to mitigate.
> the "roll your own crypto vibe", which I disagree with
Again, you run into the attack surface area here. Think about the Heartbleed vulnerability. It was a vulnerability in the DTLS implementation of OpenSSL, but it affected every single user, including the 99% that weren't using DTLS.
Experienced developers can, and should, be able to elide things like side-channel attacks and the other gotchas that scare folks off of rolling their own crypto. The right solution here is better-defined, well understood acceptance criteria and test cases, not blindly trusting something you downloaded from the internet.
The reason I disagree about crypto is because:
1. It's really really hard to verify that you have not left a vulnerability in (for a good time, try figuring out all the different "standards" needed in x509), but, more importantly,
2. You already have options for a reduced attack surface; You don't need to use OpenSSL just for TLS, you can use WolfSSL (I'm very happy with it, actually). You don't need WolfSSL just for public/private keys signing+encryption, use libsodium. You don't need libsodium just for bcrypt password hashing, there's already a single function to do that.
With crypto, you have some options to reduce your attack surface. With HTTP you have few to none; all the HTTP libs take great care to implement as much of the specification as possible.
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> Even cryptography
Good luck