Comment by carlosjobim

9 hours ago

Do drones just appear out of thin air? Or are they made in factories, which as far as I know are "high value fixed civilian infrastructure" - which is vulnerable to attack?

If drones become a big enough problem for countries like the US, then drone factories in China will be bombed, I have no doubt about that.

The author is quite misguided if he thinks wars can only be fought defensively and never offensively.

> If drones become a big enough problem for countries like the US, then drone factories in China will be bombed

Bombing China would be an insane course of action to take for virtually any reason.

That aside consider this: You currently have the power to buy a handful of the shelf parts and assemble your own deadly drone at home. You don't need very specialized parts to do this. Bombing drone factories would do nothing to stop the use of drones.

  • And making drones and drone parts for massive assaults on stationary targets in the US is not an insane course of action?

    For proxy wars, super powers won't bomb each other. But if one of them is attacked by weapons from another, then they will.

    > You don't need very specialized parts to do this.

    So making drones and drone parts do not require any highly advanced technology or manufacturing processes? Then why weren't they widely used in the first world war?

    • > So making drones and drone parts do not require any highly advanced technology or manufacturing processes?

      I'll understand if you aren't a hardware person, but I think you severely overestimate how complex a drone needs to be if you only intend for it to be single use (which is apparently all the rage in modern war).

      You don't even need drone specific parts, the parts you need are used in all kinds of other applications...many are even in your home right now whether you know it or not.

      To destroy the supply of these generic parts you would have to destroy...basically everything.

      > Then why weren't they widely used in the first world war?

      This statement alone makes me not take your argument seriously. You aren't arguing in good faith.

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    • > is not an insane course of action?

      No? Flat out arming proxies is literally the point of overt proxy warfare. Sometimes one tries to to be deniable and source other weapons, but other times it's just, enjoy quagmire, cry about it. It's like suggesting PRC going to start blowing up Lockheed plants if they ever lose anything to US munitions.

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A lot of the Ukrainian drones are produced in small buildings like homes and buisness, not massive centralized factories.

Hard to take out your enemy's production capability if A) you can't find it and B) it's highly distributed.

  • They're assembled in small buildings, but at least some of the components require sophisticated factories. There are with all certainty weapons in orbit right now, locked on to these crucial factories, ready to fire if needed.

    • In orbit? Probably not. No country has operational satellites designed to attack ground targets. They would need to launch missiles or send drones.

      In a total war you absolutely do target factories and industry. But this is easier said than done; they tend to be deep inside enemy territory. And drones are made out of commonplace consumer electronics parts, which could be made in thousands of factories around the world.

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    • The sophisticated factories they need are basically just for chips. And the problem with chips is that civilian life is just as dependent on them as military armaments.

      The rest of the drone is all stuff that can be fabricated in small batches in a garage... of course bigs factories are more efficient at fabricating just about anything so to the extent that's possible it's done, but bombing all the big factories won't stop it.

You think the US will unleash nuclear holocaust of the human race for some drone parts?

The US will do none of that shit because they wont be able to do it. Given the US is struggling against Iran, couldn't outproduce Russia on the battlefield yet they want to force down China which is an order of magnitude bigger than Russia.

  • > struggling against Iran

    Idk what to tell you, but any target that seems to get marked in Iran blows the fuck up.

    > couldn't outproduce Russia on the battlefield

    ??? What does this even mean?

    It's not like the US is in a wartime economy.

    • > Idk what to tell you, but any target that seems to get marked in Iran blows the fuck up.

      I’m sure that is true. And yet, the oil is not flowing. We keep “winning” like this for a few more weeks/months and we lose. Not because we sudenly stop “blowing targets the fuck up”, but because we cripple our economies.

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